'We burnt their homes and killed all the men, women and children'

The Times ^ | October 18, 2006 | Martin Fletcher

[A CA Guy]

They were killing each other off in Africa in tribal warfare well before anyone knew what Muslims were.

Granted Muslims are a cancer to this earth now in it's current form, but Africa was not always a Muslim issue IMO.

[Nathan Zachary]

"If his story is to be believed, then the Sudanese Govt has way more to answer for than the puppets who were sent to do the deeds."

Hias story sounds accurate. there have been plenty of them that say the same thing.

Koffee Anus wouldn't hold the Sudanese government accountable, he aproves of their behavior and showed this by appointing them to the Human Rights commission chair in the UN .

[Myrddin]

Some of them were Muslims. In this case, being Black is what got you killed, not being an infidel.

At first it was being black and Christian. When they ran out of Christians, it was just being black. A little case of muslim Arab racial supremacy at work.

[Nathan Zachary]

They were killing each other off in Africa in tribal warfare well before anyone knew what Muslims were.

That's not quite true. Muslims have been killing in Africa almost from the beginnings of Islam. While there was and is some tribal warfare, most warfare is Muslim sponsored, it's just that most people dodn't realize that they were muslims, thanks in part to media hiding that fact in recent times.

[Nathan Zachary]

especially in northern Africa. Not so much so in the south.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

Thanks for the help. Who should take the military lead in Darfur? Everybody seems to be looking at the USA. We did not install the government in Sudan. Who installed and supports Sudan?

[A CA Guy]

I would agree that perhaps you couldn't tell today which is natural tribal warfare and which is Muslim influenced, but I think tribes were killing each other well before Muslims existed.
I don't think Islam was the birth of tribal warfare in Africa at all, I think it was just an branch from original tribal warfare.
I do agree with you that today they are like a cancer causing lots of issues.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

they did not spare women or children. “Mostly they said “Kill the blacks. Kill the blacks,” Dily said. “The majority of (the victims) were civilians, most of them women.”

Dily said he never raped a woman but other Janjawid did. “They took girls and women away, just out of sight, and started to rape them. Sometimes you heard gunshots if they refused.”

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...and the UN seriously thinks they're going to sort this out by talking to the regime in Khartoum. --MadIvan

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[TNdandelion]

THat is true. But there is always hope that someone... somewhere within the UN or outside would use this information to help those people.

[TheCrusader]

"Some of them were Muslims. In this case, being Black is what got you killed, not being an infidel"

The Janjaweed are Arab muslims, the black villigers of Darfur are Christians. Don't fool yourself into believing that these two facts are merely coincidental. It's muslims massacreing Christians, business as usual.

[Chena]

Too late here in Alaska to read it all, but I need to bookmark this to read tomorrow. Thanks for posting it, MadIvan!

[unspun]

It's past time to pressure all of D.C., to defend Christians, worldwide.

[Nathan Zachary]

It was from the beginnings of the Muhammadan crusades a goal of the Caliphate to take over the entire African continent.
But due to the difficulties encountered in India, they never managed to reach very far into the south Africa's. Then there were the counter attacks of the Crusades to retake the holy lands from the Mohammedans, and finally a severe pummeling from Genghis Khan that halted much of the Muhammadan crusades.

Then the Ottoman empire grew, but never pushed deep into south Africa either, so in that sense, any tribal warfare in the south wouldn't have been much to do with Muslims.

Even the Northern Africa's drifted away from hard line Islam-ism, and became a blend of tribal African customs and Islam, and of course the Christianity brought by the missonary efforts of a few centuries, which today (the better part of this past half century) is what the Arabs are trying to purge, and convert them into Wahabbi style of Islam.

[A CA Guy]

I agree with you that from the time that Muslims got involved things sure got worse, but I do not believe they were the start of tribal warfare in Africa.

I think Africa was primitive long before Muslims got there.

But I of course agree with the recent Muslim history you posted.

Bottom line in all of it Nathan is peace will be tough anywhere Islam is around.
Islam is getting bolder and unless the religion/cult reforms itself, then there might be the biggest backlash against them that they will forever regret causing IMO.

[Nathan Zachary]

"Who installed and supports Sudan?

Sudan is split between north and south I believe, the south being Christian, and the north Muslim. that's where all the trouble is, as well as some raids for slaves into the south, some of which find themselves in Sadi Arabia as slaves. I'm not sure who promoted the Government in the north, at one time it was a blend, but Muslims have taken it over in recent times.

I think it was the UN that finally drew a line between north and south in an effort to keep the peace. No doubt Frances idea, sinse they have played a large part in Africa screwing things up, like they did in Nigeria.

[Nathan Zachary]

"Islam is getting bolder and unless the religion/cult reforms itself, then there might be the biggest backlash against them that they will forever regret causing IMO."

Well, let's hope history repeats, or else they might succeed this time if the west can't muster up the will to do what needs to be done.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

No doubt Frances idea, sinse they have played a large part in Africa screwing things up, like they did in Nigeria.

Then the rest of the world needs to take France to task, and quit blaming Great Britain and the USA. Have Kofi demand that France send "peacekeepers". Every screw-up that is blamed on the USA for our help, is based upon the French. WWII- France invades Germany, gets their @ss handed to them. Viet Nam- French Indochina gets dicey, the French demand that the Gulf of Tonkin resolution be treaty-bound. Lebanon- France encourages Syrian intervention in Lebanese political affairs. Hizb hits Israel, France says NOTHING, and blames the USA for not handcuffing Israel. If there is anyone to blame for the suffering in Darfur it is FRANCE! BTW, France sucks.

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[barker]

One night he slipped away from the camp, risking death and knowing that he might never see his wife and child again.

So, if his story is true, he cared more about himself and left his wife and child behind. Possibly to be murdered because he deserted. Hope he enjoys his afternoon tea.