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Why Americans Should Pay More Taxes: A Nobel Winner's View On Productive Economies
Wall Street Journal ^ | October 16, 2006 | Mark Whitehouse

Posted on 10/16/2006 6:30:33 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

NEW YORK -- When the new field of political economy emerged in the 18th century, it concerned itself largely with two questions: how societies get rich, and how they can justly divide that wealth. The thinking of this year's winner of the Nobel Memorial Prize in economics, Columbia University professor Edmund Phelps, hews close to that tradition, seeking the roots of prosperity and ways to maintain economic justice -- not only in today's world, but across generations.

In choosing Prof. Phelps, the Nobel committee focused on his work in the area of inflation and unemployment. But that isn't all Prof. Phelps has done over the years. He has delved into various questions relevant to policy makers, such as how economies become more productive, what kind of tax system creates the best incentives, and how much a society should save and invest.

In an interview at Columbia, Prof. Phelps discussed, among other things, why he thinks Americans should be paying higher taxes and doing more to increase the wages of the poor.

The Wall Street Journal: Many economists believe that the U.S. is acting irresponsibly by spending more than it produces and building up large debts. Your "golden rule" of capital accumulation states that each generation must save a certain amount so that future generations can enjoy the same standard of living. Should we be concerned?

Prof. Phelps: When you apply the golden rule, you have to look at the world economy. Certainly the world as a whole has saved enough. China, for example, should get good marks for doing a lot of saving. I would, however, have to give bad marks to the U.S. government, which has run persistent budget deficits at a time when we have to start climbing up the mountain of pension obligations that will come due...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: economy; edmundphelps; poor; taxes; taxreform
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
how societies get rich, and how they can justly divide that wealth.

Er... seems like the premise starts out faulty, and goes off into la-la land from there.

Just those two questions assume a whole bunch of wrong headed nonsense.

When are these idiots going to realize that no matter how fancy you get with your explanations of how "socialism can work if we do it THIS way", that it won't? Never. Ever.

21 posted on 10/16/2006 6:42:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Mo1
I say we go on strike and stop giving money

We're Atlas! Let's shrug!

22 posted on 10/16/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
LIE (bubba), CHEAT (reid) and STEAL (taxes)... the dim trinity!

LLS
23 posted on 10/16/2006 6:45:08 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If I were an economist, I would be talking about how business has become efficient and productive while government has not. The necessity to downsize is a foregone conclusion in the competitive marketplace of the private sector. But while government grows it becomes even less productive which is no surprise. As obtuse as Greenspan was, he said as much although it was so obscurely indirect as to be lost in his deliberately boring monotone.


24 posted on 10/16/2006 6:45:26 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: SlowBoat407
China, for example, should get good marks for doing a lot of saving.

And 95% of its population lives in absolute poverty. Moreover the vast majority of the remaining 5% have standards of living much lower than our poorest people in the US.

One of the main reasons our economy is the greatest and most powerful in the world is because we pay less taxes than any major industrial nation.

25 posted on 10/16/2006 6:46:02 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: SteveMcKing

CU... the university that attacked the first amendment. commie academics at its worst!

LLS


26 posted on 10/16/2006 6:46:20 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Jeffrey_D.

Hey Phelps !!!! Bite me.......


27 posted on 10/16/2006 6:47:11 AM PDT by Jeffrey_D.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tax ahem--cuts--are temporary; hence, been talking with the Swiss about banking there, with algore or Mrs. Clinton shooin in 2008.


28 posted on 10/16/2006 6:48:03 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (They Took My Saddle in Houston, Broke My Leg in Santa Fe, Lost Wife + Girlfriend)
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To: NRA1995
When is the last time a society has taxed itself into prosperity?

That's only because the 'right people' weren't doing the taxing...

29 posted on 10/16/2006 6:48:23 AM PDT by null and void ("It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret."--Jackie Joyner-Kersee)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tax cuts, tax rate reductions, are revenue gnerators. We are paying more in taxes than ever before, and the annual budget deficit is falling. So to futher increase revenues to the government we need bigger, more massive tax rate reductions.


30 posted on 10/16/2006 6:49:28 AM PDT by jimfrommaine
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To: null and void
That's only because the 'right people' weren't doing the taxing...

Yes, and per Bill Clinton, "I could give the American people a tax cut, but you probably wouldn't spend it right"

31 posted on 10/16/2006 6:51:28 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Clinton "tried", 3000 died)
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To: cpdiii

I signed our 2005 tax return last night. Wife is a CPA (cobbler's children and all that). It was painful to look at the number.

I like to think we bought the troops an armored HMMWV. I don't like thinking that we bought, say, crop subsidies.


32 posted on 10/16/2006 6:52:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Exactly how does the professor thing the US government should "SAVE" it's money? Put in the bank? Bury it under the Washington Monument? Buy half the businesses in the country?

China, for example, should get good marks for doing a lot of saving. I would, however, have to give bad marks to the U.S. government, which has run persistent budget deficits at a time when we have to start climbing up the mountain of pension obligations that will come due...

33 posted on 10/16/2006 6:57:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If these libs think that higher taxes are such a great idea, why don't they just pay more and let the rest of us pay less?


34 posted on 10/16/2006 6:59:12 AM PDT by IncPen (Bush Iraq Truth WMD http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: All

What libs really mean by
Higher taxes is that everybody "except me" pays more taxes.


35 posted on 10/16/2006 7:01:45 AM PDT by mtairycitizen
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

On the left is a picture of the Chinese loving Columbia University professor Edmund Phelps. The professor is supposed to be smart and I expect with all the books he has written (wonder if he even sees a classroom) he has made a few bucks. The Nobel prize pays $1.4 million bucks. Turner, who is supposed to be smart and a billionaire is pictured above too (looks pretty wasted).

If these two guys are so smart and have a few bucks why can't they figure out that they can afford porcelain veneers?

36 posted on 10/16/2006 7:03:15 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sliding butt stock, carry handle, gas operated. Named after a horse. What am I?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"increase the wages of the poor. "

I am sick of hearing about the "poor". We have very few true poor in the US.
After welfare food stamps, low income housing , Medicaid, etc , we have a self perpetuating indolent parasitical class that has no work ethic and pops out babies condoned by effete liberals
i remember being taught in public school that "poverty causes crime" and yet those parasites after receiving something for nothing still become predators.
37 posted on 10/16/2006 7:04:05 AM PDT by avile
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wow! This certainly opened my eyes. Does anyone have the address to the IRS handy? I'd like to begin sending my fair share today.


38 posted on 10/16/2006 7:05:28 AM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why on earth does a Nobel Prize lend any weight to anything anymore? Especially politics and economics.

Gee, funny how that "lowering the tax burden increases tax revenue" thing works. Works every time it is tried. But liberals just don't get it.


39 posted on 10/16/2006 7:10:12 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: avile
What burns my butt is, in our area of the country anyhow, we have a lot of young bucks in their 20s drawing a monthly disability check because they are "Bi-Polar". In actuality, they have just fried their brains on drugs. And, now, the good ol' government is giving them a monthly check to buy their dope with.

Just down the road from me, one kid got his check ($600) the first of this month. Spent the entire amount on "ice" (Meth) in two days. What is freakin' wrong with this picture?
40 posted on 10/16/2006 7:11:56 AM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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