Posted on 10/15/2006 3:12:59 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Beijing Duped by Pyongyang = A high-ranking Chinese official confessed, "We could not find out whether N. Korea possessed nuclear weapons, nor how far N. Korean nuclear development progressed."
Such information have to be obtained through intelligence network inside N. Korea, but a few years ago, a man in charge of State Security Bureau in Yanji City was bribed with $300,000 by N. Korean intelligence, and China's intelligence network inside N. Korea was wiped out overnight (due to information N. Koreans got from him in return.) Since then, China's intelligence network on N. Korea is virtually non-existent.
Furthermore, the day before the nuclear test, Oct. 8, 'Reference News', put out by state media Xinhua, reported, "N. Korea is supposed to halt nuclear test with some condition."
Chang Sung-min, 'Peace Forum for World and N. E. Asia' (former S. Korean legislator) said that, according to his Chinese source, N. Koreans 'denied' the allegation that nuclear test was imminent, and told Chinese that they could consider stopping the test if N. Korea and U.S. can have face-to-face talks.
If this is true, N. Korea duped China up until the day before the test. After calming them down, N. Korea conducted the test 137km away from Yanji, 185km from Russian border, and 262km from S. Korea.
A Chinese expert on N. Korea complained, "Kim Jong-il deceived not only the whole world but also China. Now people are asking what China has been doing all along. The most irritating result is that N. Korea's nuclear weapons may be in effect aimed at China."
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Nice story... too bad it's BS.
thanks for the ping.
keep hearin 'bout these 'locusts': w/china's population over 1 billion strong, these pests are absorbable w/o an overwhelming challenge to china. cannot be considered a real "ace in the hole".
I read 20 times a day that North Korea is a puppet of China. All the really smart posters say so. Well, I mean, the ones that write a line or two about North Korea being a puppet of China, but don't offer any analysis or understanding of the situation. They write it all the time, so they must be right, right?
Either that, or Kim Jong Il is just annother cunning, backstabbing tyrant who doesn't care what he has to do in order to remain in power. If that's the case, then it would be in his interest to intimidate China in the same way he's intimidating everyone else. The CCP has a lot to lose, and are deathly afraid of serious threats to Chinese stability or economic progress. That would mean that China would much rather block sanctions and pay what in effect is tribute, rather than do the right thing, when it may come at a steep cost.
The DPRK realizes that they're not dealing with Mao Zedong, but a pack of penny pinching bureaucrats. Intimidation a much more effective a tool against a committee of pencil pushers who don't want to rock the boat, than it is a powerful, egotistical revolutionary fighter. China is not in a desperate situation, but North Korea is. That fact makes it in the interest of China to do whatever they can to keep North Korea afloat, because if it collapses, China will have to clean up the mess.
That mess could involve a failed state on their border, with millions of refugees, loose WMDs, marauding former North Korean military units looking for food, and eventually, U.S./USFK forces parked on the Yalu/Heilongjiang river. (That's about a day and a half of M1A1 tank driving to Beijing, closer than Kuwait City is to Baghdad.)
But, North Korea is a puppet of China. I read it here on FR, so it must be true.
I like your points. I hear people expressing frustration that we should have done something or China should have done something or Russia ... I tend to think that the Kimster would have done what he did no matter what others did and there was nothing of a practical nature that any of us could have done about it.
I do. How better to extort more aid to prop up your regime than to threaten with nukes ? And we all know who has supported this regime since WW II...China.
Yes, big news...if true. But are we supposed to think, Oh, poor China! They were duped! (Nonsense.) This is more Chinese cover your rump and play both ends against the middle time.
Actions do speak louder than words. Some of us keep a sharp memory of that Chinese shipment of 20 tons of tributyl phosphate to North Korea.
As to the threat of 20 million starving NK refugees, they'll do everything possible, moral or otherwise, to keep them on the wrong side of the Yalu and make it our problem.
I don't believe it for a minute...China knows exactly what's going on.
How many tons of food and fuel did we send them? We, the United States, kept their regime afloat when it was on the verge of collapse. When a North Korean submarine grounded itself on the South Korean coast, while dropping off a special operations team, we found that the food they had on board was from U.S. aid donations. Still in the same bags.
We're just as guilty as anyone for fueling the DPRK's war machine.
Actions do speak louder than words. "I'm scared of instability in North Korea" translates just as well into English as it does Chinese.
I don't either. Nothing happens in NK without the PRC's approval.
Because we are stupid.....Who was it that invested in China's cheap labor pool? We have been cutting our own throats for years...but free traders love it...you figure it out.
Plenty. So what?
There's a big difference between humanitarian aid and chemicals necessary for purifying plutonium. Better you mention those two reactors we helped them build.
We, the United States, kept their regime afloat when it was on the verge of collapse.
Thank Clinton for that. Globalists find the likes of NK very useful.
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