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'The US housing bubble will disappear'
in2perspective ^ | September 11, 2006 | Laurie Osborne

Posted on 10/14/2006 9:48:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

'The US housing bubble will disappear'

By Laurie Osborne, Editor

Published 11th Sep 2006

That the US housing bubble will disappear someday is a certainty. That it will blow up catastrophically is a fair bet, warns The Daily Reckoning's Bill Bonner.

Observing recent statistics, Bonner calls the evidence "formidable".

The total value of residential property in developed countries rose by more than $30 trillion, to $70 trillion, over the past five years – eclipsing the combined GDPs of those nations.

Consumer spending and residential construction have accounted for 90 percent of the total growth in the American GDP over the last four years, and more than 40 percent of all private-sector jobs created since 2001 have been in housing-related sectors, including construction and mortgage brokering.

America made some of its biggest gains this past year, with average prices of homes rising 12.5% in the year and prices in Florida, California, Nevada, Hawaii, Maryland and Washington, DC, rising more than 20 percent, while in Palm Beach County, Florida, it rose over 35%. Sales of existing homes in the US set a new high at 7.18 million in April.

Some foreign countries showed bigger gains than the US in the last year, with prices up by 23.6 percent in South Africa, 19 percent in Hong Kong and over 15 percent in Spain and France. But average house prices have actually fallen by 7% in Australia since 2003; Sydney's bubblicious prices have plunged by 16%. In Britain, sales have contracted by a third from last year and have also slowed down in Ireland, the Netherlands and New Zealand. In Britain and Australia, these declines followed what were only very modest interest rate increases.

23 percent of all American houses bought last year were for investment and in Miami, one speculation hot spot, 70% of condo buyers are investors/speculators.

Last year, 42 percent of America's first-time buyers – and 25 percent of all buyers – put no money down.

In California, 60 percent of all new mortgages this year are interest-only or negative-amortization.

House prices in relation to rent have hit all-time highs in the US, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Ireland and Belgium. In the US, the ratio is 35 percent above its 1975-2000 average. The price to rent ratio is a cardinal indicator of over valuation.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bubble; bubblebrigade; depression; despair; doom; dustbowl; eeyore; goldpimpalert; goregloomgutless; grapesofwrath; housingbubble; joebtfsplk; realestate
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To: durasell

Only wussies put sugar in coffee.


321 posted on 10/15/2006 9:46:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Petronski
You really do like calling other people names; don't you.

But you can't handle being refuted at every turn.

BTW, what do you call it when YOU call in others?

At least Petronski called in those whom YOU defamed; but, as usual, you did, yet again, ignore to place their nics in the header.

322 posted on 10/15/2006 9:53:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: GodGunsGuts
Don't use Wikipedia for a source; it really is quite disreputable.

FR has its own lexicon...please go look it up and what just what FR and FREEPERS consider a troll to be.

323 posted on 10/15/2006 9:57:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ByDesign
Well, they're WRONG about Florida real estate in the 1920's BOOM. That BOOM was often more "shady" than not ( yes, they sold SWAMP LAND, sight unseen ) and when it was more on the up and up, it was sold to...............THE VERY WEALTHY.

And FWIW, the land BOOMS in Florida predate the 20th century.

324 posted on 10/15/2006 10:01:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I find this, from the article, very hard to believe: "Last year, 42 percent of America's first-time buyers – and 25 percent of all buyers – put no money down."
325 posted on 10/15/2006 10:03:39 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: ByDesign
Have you ever seen "THE COCONUTS", staring in the Marx brothers? It was a stage play first, but it's a spoof/send-up of the Florida land frauds.
326 posted on 10/15/2006 10:03:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Petronski

We finally agree on something! I am a firm believer that when it comes to coffee (or iced tea), the less polution the better!


327 posted on 10/15/2006 10:06:37 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: unspun
I find it VERY hard to believe too.

All of these doom&gloom threads are always filled with exaggerations and broad brush strokes.

328 posted on 10/15/2006 10:06:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Petronski

It will probably drive you to sugar. LOL!


329 posted on 10/15/2006 10:17:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ByDesign
Those are interesting stories and I'm sure some people got involved in risky speculation, but different things are happening in different areas and personally I don't know anybody who got involved in flipping houses...not one person. Most of my friends are much more educated and professional than the average person so that's probably why they avoided housing speculation. I'll tell you my own experience of selling my parents' old home in California a few years ago: there were no flippers and speculators looking at that house, only some renovators, but it sold for over a million dollars so that excludes a lot of people. I don't know what's going to happen for sure. I believe your stories are true to some extent but I'd like to see some hard numbers about how many people are leveraged up so far on their mortgages. A good lender like Home Savings or Countrywide is only going to loan people an amount they can handle AFTER the rates reset to the highest forseeable rate. These big lenders are not stupid and they don't want to take losses on these mortgages. Neither are the people on Wall Street who are buying the CMO's. I have a sense that the amount of high risk lending is not that big in terms of dollars as a percentage of all lending.

I'll say this too. It sure looks like the Federal Reserve is on a major campaign to squelch inflationary expectations and keep interest rates down and no doubt a big reason for this campaign is concern about ARM's resetting to much higher rates and putting a lot of people in a financial bind. We'll see what happens here. Mortgage rates have dropped about 0.4 points in the last two months and that will help.

330 posted on 10/16/2006 12:26:55 AM PDT by defenderSD (Blogging from a secure, undisclosed location in the southwestern United States.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Man you have got to get off this thread for awhile. You seem to be on here 24/7.


331 posted on 10/16/2006 12:30:36 AM PDT by defenderSD (Blogging from a secure, undisclosed location in the southwestern United States.)
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To: ByDesign

Somebody said this before, but another thing to keep in mind is that only a small percentage of homeowners bought houses near the peak of prices in 2005. The vast majority of people bought at lower prices before 2005. If somebody borrowed too much in home equity loans from a sub-prime lender based on an appraisal last year and spent it, then all I can say is: that was a dumb thing to do, but I don't think it affects more than a few percent of all homeowners nationwide.


332 posted on 10/16/2006 12:44:24 AM PDT by defenderSD (Blogging from a secure, undisclosed location in the southwestern United States.)
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To: Pelham; Petronski
That one's a keeper. If my printer worked I'd frame a copy.

You could always tap your home equity and buy a new one. :-)

333 posted on 10/16/2006 2:39:29 AM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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To: nopardons; Petronski; JasonC; Pelham; unspun; GodGunsGuts; defenderSD
All of these doom&gloom threads are always filled with exaggerations and broad brush strokes.

As noted, the article claims "Last year, 42 percent of America's first-time buyers - and 25 percent of all buyers - put no money down."

The first part, at least, is correct, see http://www.realtor.org/fedistrk.nsf/3921d4b155894b4f86257142005f7061/013f0cdb0f0bc12285257192005e24c7?OpenDocument

In 2005, 43% of first-time homebuyers financed 100% of their home.

It's important to understand the context of those numbers as shown in the rest of the paragraph:

55% of homebuyers who financed with a zero-downpayment loan in 2005, had incomes less than $65,000; 24% of those who used a zero-downpayment product were minorities; and 52% of people who financed 100% of their home purchased homes priced at less than $150,000

These statements were made as part of a pitch to sell congress on the idea of having government compete with subprime lenders by allowing FHA to offer 100% loans (currently they can only offer 97% although in reality it becomes 100% with downpayment assistance charities some of which are thinly disguised subprime lenders).

Here's GAO testimony on alternative mortgage products http://banking.senate.gov/_files/ACF84D8.pdf

From 2003 through 2005, AMP lending grew rapidly, with originations increasing threefold from less than 10 percent of residential mortgages to about 30 percent.

AMPs are interest-only or flexible payment mortgages, not necessarily with zero downpayment. As noted in the document these are mostly being used in the high priced markets in CA and in the vicinity of DC and NYC. So it looks to me like there are two dynamics here, first people with no money getting relatively small loans on cheap houses in crappy locations and second, people with more money (or who think they might have more money) getting large flexible loans in good locations. The former will be impacted by a general recession which may or may not be in the cards (I am betting not), and the latter has already seen significant drops (20% in my DC area market, probably similar in the others) and there is no blood in the streets. I believe prices are firming somewhat in those markets although another 10% drop would not surprise me.

334 posted on 10/16/2006 4:05:12 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Petronski
I hope you don't mind some constructive criticism. Your behavior is that of a high schooler. You add nothing to these threads. You cheer lead for "your side" and you call the other side names.

Its not just gold and real estate threads. You have a posting history of the same thing everywhere I see your name. Even your tag lines have left a trail of high school behavior.

I have learned quite a bit on these threads from the posters who contribute. After I have sifted though the things you and one or two others type belittling those you dont agree with.
335 posted on 10/16/2006 5:33:38 AM PDT by winodog
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To: GodGunsGuts

I understand the need for you to defend yourself against a few posters. You should climb out of the mudslinging though.

If you dont "they" will get you banned sooner or later and I dont want to see that happen. I enjoy reading your posts and I enjoy learning when others debate the merit of them.

Keep up the good work.


336 posted on 10/16/2006 5:37:57 AM PDT by winodog
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To: GodGunsGuts; ex-Texan; All

Something interesting I just heard on the news. This is just an FYI so folks can take it or leave it, I'm just repeating it.
Few stores seem to be open in Hawaii (or at least the parts worst hit).
And those stores that are open are letting in only a limited number of people.

And most of those stores are taking...




CASH ONLY!!!!

I just thought this was an interesting study in psychology.


337 posted on 10/16/2006 6:16:24 AM PDT by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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To: djf
CASH ONLY!!!!

Fiat money only? LOL!

338 posted on 10/16/2006 6:32:43 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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To: Petronski; GodGunsGuts
He doesn't like fractional reserve lending.

GGG, if a bond speculator puts $1,000,000 into the bank, how much can the bank lend out?

339 posted on 10/16/2006 6:34:47 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I guarantee you having one single Liberty Silver dollar in your pocket would get you to the front of the line quicker than you can post a tedious rebuttal.


340 posted on 10/16/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT by djf (I'm not ISLAMOPHOBIC, just BOMBOPHOBIC!! Whether that's the same is up to Islam!!!)
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