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For the Record ~ We Are NOT A Democracy!
American Chronicle ^ | October 8, 2006 | Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D.

Posted on 10/10/2006 8:35:41 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: ableLight
Hamilton's grand design called for the "governor of United States" to be elected for a 7 year term and have monarchical powers. Not elected for life. Hamilton never proposed popular election for the presidency. For that we have to turn to James Wilson of Pennsylvania.

Some men at the Convention were ahead of their times. Mr. Pinckney of South Carolina was already thinking democratically along the lines of Andrew Jackson a generation later. Mr. Wilson was anticipating the Progressives of the late 19th and early 20th Century.

Wilson was one of the lesser known Pennsylvanians present. (Franklin, of course, was the best known man in the world.) Wilson took seriously the idea that all power derived from the people. Toward the end of the Convention when the delegates began addressing the means of electing the president, Wilson decided to pitch his idea of direct popular vote to Madison. He invited "Jemmy" over for dinner.

Wilson set a goood table, and afterwards he took Madison out to his back yard where he had installed a putting green. Wilson had come from Scotland as a boy and still spoke with a Scottish burr. He was an avid golfer, but with Philadelpia lacking a good golf course, Wilson contented himself with the little green in his back yard.

He put a club in Madison's hands and attempted to teach him a good golf swing, all the while keeping up a one-sided conversation about his plan for electing the president by popular vote. (Wilson was tall while Madison was quite short, so I see a comical Mutt-and-Jeff image in this scene.)

Madison was polite, but he knew he would never be able to sell Wilson's idea. Hamilton, the lead Nationalist, viewed the people as "the mob" and would oppose it adamantly. The States' Men would never buy it because it de-emphasized the role of the states and pushed toward a consolidated union, something that had killed Hamilton's grand design on Day One.

Wilson's idea was a non-starter, and in the final days of the Convention, the Electoral College was cobbled together from a number of different plans. No one was happy with it, but it was the best that could be done.

In 1829, Jackson picked up where Wilon had left off.

(Headed for bed.)

41 posted on 10/11/2006 12:05:45 AM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
Once God has determined...

I thought god was omnipotent.

42 posted on 10/11/2006 12:07:51 AM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Publius

I thought the 17th Amendment was adopted in 1916.


43 posted on 10/11/2006 12:09:04 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I have 1913 as the date.

After Jackson, the Progressives had been pushing this idea through the late 19th Century along with open primary elections, initiative, referendum, recall, women's suffrage and the prohibition of alcohol. When Congress voted on it, the House was willing to go along with direct election of senators but not the Senate.

The states began to get antsy, and a movement began to invoke Article V. State after state petitioned Congress for a Convention for Proposing Amendments on this subject. When only one more state was required to force a convention call, the Senate blinked and voted for the amendment. It was ratified in record time.

44 posted on 10/11/2006 12:17:40 AM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: hedgetrimmer

I know this and you know it, but the young skulls of mush in the public skrools are being taught otherwise.


45 posted on 10/11/2006 12:27:39 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Publius
When my Grandma died we found amongst her papers our lineage to join the DAR (that just MIGHT have been handy in history class in high school).

In any event, upon researching my GGGGG Grandpa who sat in the PA Assembly, I came across a letter that he and two others wrote to one B. Franklin expressing their concerns about the upcoming vote at the Constitutional Convention.

They expressed grave concern regarding the fact that the document left too open the possibilities that:

The American people would one day suffer an egregious tax burden.

And, that press might coagulate into a "cabal" that would attempt to undermine the country.

Go figure.

46 posted on 10/11/2006 12:34:49 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: ableLight
Do you know of a publication of the primary source of Madison's notes?
Try The Avalon Project : The Papers of James Madison
47 posted on 10/11/2006 2:31:46 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
Once God has determined who is going to endure to the end, he will bring the answer to all our problems. The America of the future is going to make the 50's look like a nightmare in comparison to how good its going to be for the over-comers who inherit the land.

You write as if man is not able to make choices.

48 posted on 10/11/2006 3:52:27 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Hey, hedgetrimmer, you are going to love this one:

Ten Young Former Gangsters Start Businesses on Guatemala Reality Show

USAID invested about $300,000 in this project through the Global Development Alliance. USAID/Guatemala has put in another $900,000 over time. The Guatemalan private sector and federal government have supported the program, which is being carried out by Creative Associates.

49 posted on 10/11/2006 4:11:52 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: maine-iac7
The Constitution now hangs by a thread, with vicious enemies within determined to cut that last thread. We the People will need to roll up our sleeves and fight hard and furious, as did the Founding Fathers, to keep that from happening.

Children today are not taught about the value of the Constitution and add to that the apathy that abounds brought on by govt. largesse in the form of various aid and you are asking something nearly impossible.

50 posted on 10/11/2006 4:21:25 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
God isn't necessarily a Republican but the devil surely is a democRAT.
51 posted on 10/11/2006 4:25:27 AM PDT by G-Man 1
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To: hedgetrimmer
Now, if we could only teach the "free traitors" this simple truth....


They're a stubborn bunch. IMO, they believe the NAU will bring them great prosperity using ignorant persons from other lands as slave labor. In the process, they are willing to bypass or overlook the environmental, cultural and religious ideals that make this country great. Their personalities are ingrained in a philosophy willing to attack and humiliate others into agreeing with their POV. Getting them to see beyond their narrow view will be a monumental task.
52 posted on 10/11/2006 4:45:20 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: wolfcreek
Getting them to see beyond their narrow view will be a monumental task.

Theirs is a backwards view as they are going backwards into slavery to make money. Slavery has never worked.

53 posted on 10/11/2006 5:24:33 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo

Once the majority of people realize where this country is headed, I expect the decent ones will lash out.


54 posted on 10/11/2006 6:00:13 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Representitives? Heck, pull up the text of any of Bush's speeches and see how many times he says the word "democracy".


55 posted on 10/11/2006 6:05:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Sorry, I have been very busy.


56 posted on 10/11/2006 6:30:35 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: maine-iac7
We the People will need to roll up our sleeves and fight hard and furious, as did the Founding Fathers, to keep that from happening.

I couldn't agree with you more.
57 posted on 10/11/2006 6:32:23 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: maine-iac7
Believe it and fight it or learn to live under Socialism.

Our choices with the two parties, are soviet style socialism, or council style corporatist fascism. Take your pick.
58 posted on 10/11/2006 6:33:49 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: wolfcreek; Reaganwuzthebest
Once the majority of people realize where this country is headed, I expect the decent ones will lash out.

We have let the free traders get away with too much. Their claim is that the economy is good so NAFTA is great. Reaganwusthebest said this paraphrase. The economy is good inspite of NAFTA.

NAFTA is one of the main reasons we have so much illegal immigration as Mexico was devastated with the implementation of NAFTA.

Never do the free traders take into consideration the cost of higher insurance premiums, hospital costs, uninsured motorist insurance, welfare,food stamps, ect. These costs are forced on us . I, myself, would prefer tariffs so I could pick and choose what I want.

59 posted on 10/11/2006 6:34:26 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: raybbr
USAID invested about $300,000 in this project

Its the Americas project. God Bless Americas mi amigo!
60 posted on 10/11/2006 6:37:35 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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