"Major scandinavian city leveled to the ground in ramadan riots"

www.gp.se ^ | 09/10/2006 | Johanna Bäckström Lerneby

[WesternCulture]

Reports of riots heavily exaggerated

Riots and demolition. Smashed windows and devastated shopping centers. It turned out to be nothing less than hype.

How could it happen?

Malin Sahlström, secretary of press with the Västra Götaland Police Authority gives an explanation to the whole thing.

- No official spokesperson was on duty. He left at 18.00 and afterwards, emergency call centre operators themselves took care of external relations like contact with the media and they’re not qualified for this responsibility. We’re supposed to be open towards the media, but according to what I’ve heard, the operators yesterday recieved equal numbers of calls from the press and from the public. She says the operators received several different calls coming from scared citizens who were all witnessing the same thing, namely violent youth gangs smashning up a tram in the protection of dark, smashing windows and throwing stones at the police.

Malin Sahlström says a lot of people probably were reporting about the same acts of crime taking place. - The media demands answers to their questions. “Give us something” they say - and the operators probably were reporting in accordance with incoming emergency calls, Sahlström explains, while claiming that the only alternative is to more or less completely refrain from handing out any information at all. - When you‘re not accustomed, it sometimes can be difficult to know what to say and not. An official spokesperson would presumably have said as little as possible already from the start, according to Malin Sahlström.

GP: So what will happen next?

- Right now, we will try and get down to business with the criminal occurrences themselves, what alarms we’ve received and how to deal with information onwards. We really do want these phone operators to be open towards media. But the best thing would be an official spokesman in on duty on a 24-7 basis. If that was the case, this thing would never have happened., says Malin Sahlström. So far, no one is in custody for the crimes committed.

GP:s head of news, Ninni Jonzon, what went wrong?

- Concerning news like these, the police is one of our sources. We expect the police to have the best general view of the situation. But in this particular case, we also had a reporter of our own and one of our photographers stationed at the crime scene. They reported what they saw with their very own eyes, but failed upon obtaining a complete understanding of the situation as a whole because we were closing in on our deadline and time was pressing on us.

What could GP learn from this? - The importance of following our news stories up and informing about what actually took place in reality - and correcting mistakes. Furthermore being more careful with source material.

(Translation from swedish into english)

[ArmstedFragg]

Just Scandinavians learning from watching U.S. MSM Katrina coverage.

[WesternCulture]

"Let's see. First we tell you the town is destroyed then we tell you "OOPS" just two windows. You then think "see Muzzies' are not bad just the reporting". Mission of the press accomplished!"

I get your point, but I don't think the liberal media works like that.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I'm sure they're very pleased that:

- The police made a mistake which allows journalists to serve the public the usual picture of stupid cops at work

- The riots can be written off as yet another harmless teenage prank and being liberals, their belief in "multi-cultural society" thereby being strengthened.

Liberal media are utterly naive - and that's not the news.

Sweden has much less problems with muslim immigrants than a country like France does, but the problems that DO exist in Sweden are toned down by the media and also, a major mistake both swedes and muslim immigrants are guilty of is believing any sort of national government is able to create a better sort of "integration" between different ethnical groups. Such an integration will not take place before a genuine dialogue is establishied and because such a dialogue doesn't exist today racism, crime, fanatism and segregation could well escalate further.

BUT, if employers in Sweden are offered better conditions, even the most "alienated" immigrants could perhaps be rescued from living in a disconnected suburbian vacuum and allowed to come in touch with modern society. Or at least their children. Speaking of children, another important factor is of course that one of education.

Personally, I believe "multiculturalism" could really work if only each and every participant of such a social activity, to begin with, was in possession of what islamofascists and other categories of fascists all are lacking: rudimentary acquaintance with the basic elements of true human culture.

Let's face this duality of the particular part of human history we are blessed to be participants of like brave westeners:

1. There IS a threat to Western Civilization.

2. Western Civilization, in itself, is the right way to deal with that threat.

[shield]

bttt

[July 4th]

Please let all of the wonderful Swedish women know that I have plenty of space in the US for them.

[WesternCulture]

"Please let all of the wonderful Swedish women know that I have plenty of space in the US for them."

I promise to inform them there is room for them in Wisconsin.

Sadly enough, most swedes (and other europeans as well) only favor places like California, NYC and Florida upon visiting the US. Just look at me, I've been to.... Florida. Beautiful nature, very friendly people, great activities and interesting architecture and all, but as I've gotten older, I've begun to develop an interest of seeing parts of the US that aren't targets of mass tourism.
Next year I'll visit some places in France, Germany, Spain and perhaps some in Italy as well for vacation, but in 2008, I hope to go to the US again.

[BenLurkin]

Exagerrarted huh?

Well just how bad does it have to be before they realize they need to deport the uncivilized fools?

[WesternCulture]

"Exagerrarted huh?

Well just how bad does it have to be before they realize they need to deport the uncivilized fools?"

Two smashed windows isn't much of damage from an economical or juridical point of view, however behaving like this in a country who have provided you and your family with asylum is a different story from a moral, ethical perspective.

I would be interested in hearing what swedish social workers, teachers and policemen will have to say to these kids when they get caught and furthermore what they'll have to say to the parents of these youngsters.
I fear it'll all boil down to PC nonsense.

There are in fact some immigrant muslim parents who have the right attitude. Some time ago I read about a couple of parents who deliberately sent their own son back to Somalia from Sweden (where he had been involved in criminal activities) to perform heavy labor on a primitive farm owned by some relatives. Swedish authorities were extremely upset by this inhuman action of theirs.

[RogerFGay]

"To be honest, Sometimes even we swedes feel Sweden is an odd place."

I'm an American who's lived in the Stockholm area for more than 12 years. I've been trying to understand Sweden ever since I got here.

There are times when everything seems crystal clear, and other times when Sweden seems to be a puzzle wrapped in an enigma.

[t_skoz]

Where in Upstate do you live? I hail from Rochester.

[t_skoz]

I have a lot of friends from Stockholm some of whom moved to Malmo a few years ago for work. I last visited Swednen in 1999 but this was before I started paying attention to the Islam thing. On a sightseeing tour, they took me to see the big mosque in Stockholm and they did mention that some of them have a very hard time accepting that they have to adapt and fit in to Swedish culture. Sweden is a very homogenous society as I saw it and I can understand their thoughts.

Since then I have repeatedly asked them about these troubles, especially in Malmo, and how it is reported in the international media. What we hear over here is that "Malmo is lost" and that "the city is a no-go zone for people who aren't Arab". My friends tell me this is not the case, it is all media hype.

What say you guys?

[monday]

"There are muslims and there are muslims"

No, there are Muslims and there are lapsed Muslims. Muslims who no longer practice their faith. True Muslims follow the Koran. Study the Koran if think I am kidding.

The penalty for Muslims who no longer practice their faith is death. Women and children are property and non Muslims must be either converted, killed, or enslaved. This is what true Muslims believe because that is what the Koran teaches.

I realize that there are hard working seemingly normal Muslims that everyone meets from day to day. Even the most normal Muslims hide a dark secret however. They hide the true nature of their religion because if it was known they would be shunned in society. These so called moderate Muslims are actually the most dangerous because they disguise themselves.

How many times do we have to hear that this or that Islamic terrorist seemed normal, that his friends and family never suspected that they were capable of such violence? How many times are we going to say it must have been an aberration, a fluke, before we come to the realization that it isn't abnormal for a so called "moderate" Muslim to flip out and kill people. That it is normal.

Muslims who are known radicals are watched by police. They have little opportunity to commit mayhem. It is the "normal" "moderate" Muslim that is the real danger.

Look at the 9-11 bombers. All supposedly "normal" Muslims from middle class families with good education. Look at just how "normal" those guys turned out to be.

[RogerFGay]

RE: homogeneous society and muslims

Around 80 percent of Swedes belong to the Lutheran Church, which has historically been the state church. (Take over from the Catholic Church during reformation wasn't painless.) But not nearly that many are actually church going people. It's a state church thing where registration was once mandatory.

In 1992, the church law of 1686 was changed.

In 1995, the Riksdagen voted in principle for formal separation of church and state.

1997-1998, the Swedish constitution was changed to separate church and state.

Sweden has had freedom of religion for longer than this history might suggest, but it's totally formal now. Church and state are separated, even in administrative practices.

I think there is some media hype. Living in Stockholm, I've seen the sensitivity of foreigners to the feelings of natural born Swedes. I've spent time in foreigner dominated suburbs without seeing problems I'd expect to see in the U.S.; although I must admit it's often a little quieter in areas dominated by natives. (Don't get me started on mopeds and such.)

While on the subway going through suburbs, I once saw a teenager who obviously wasn't born in Sweden make a nusiance of himself getting on. He had a collapsable bike and got onto a train car what didn't allow bikes. He protested because his bike folded up like a suitcase and didn't take up space. The driver of the subway refused to go until the kid got out. The kid got stubborn and stayed.

An older foreign guy -- probably from the same part of the world -- immediately took the kid to task; exactly the opposite of what you might imagine if you're imagining a Hollywood movie scene with foreigners "angry at the man" and sticking together. Before he personally booted the kid off the train, he gave him a lecture on behaving himself; even to the point of shaming him about giving ALL foreigners from his part of the world a bad reputation.

That's more what I think of as being generally Stockholmish as far as foreigners go.

There is in fact a criminal element around (both native and foreign). The foreign criminal element is -- well -- part of the criminal element. They sometimes have machine guns and such smuggled in. Swedes get them too. They steal them from military bases.

Although they warn you about danger in the cities -- coming from the U.S., I think Stockholm is pretty safe.

Homogeneous -- no -- absolutely not. It's just that birds of a feather flock together. There's plenty of diversity here.

[sageb1]

"Where in Upstate do you live? I hail from Rochester."

Eastern Upstate near the VT border. My son went to RIT.

[concrete is my business]

It is called LaFayette.

On good ol' Rt. 20 (which IIRC is a 2 lane highway that goes all the way from Boston to Concrete, Wash.)).

The Onondaga Reservation is there and lacrosse is the game. And football too. Go Tigers!

Also, Beak and Skiff will ship some really nice gift boxes for Christmas.

Some of the diversity one sees at the Apple Fest might be from all the foreign students from SU and Cornell and the many other colleges in the Fingerlakes area.

[Marysecretary]

I found out several years ago that my mother's family, the Bjorkman's, were Swedish-speaking Finns. I always thought I was pure norsk.

[norton]

"Followers of Islam should be respected on behalf of their belief as long as their behavior displays a will to promote human progress."

Agreed. However, I've met a total of ONE and his cousins make it impossible to really trust him.

[norton]

PS: Pippi Longstocking was a whole 'nother aberration.

[untenured]

This is interesting; thanks for posting it (and translating it, if you did). I often wonder about the extent to which accounts of European Muslims on the verge of open rebellion are exaggerated.

Many sites on the web - the Brussels Journal, anything by Fjordman - speak in the most apocalyptic terms about conditions in heavily Muslim areas in Europe and behavior by European Muslims, especially in France, Sweden and Holland. (I do have an American friend who lived in Amsterdam for years, but recently moved because, among other things, of constant street brawling among youth gangs there.)

With respect to Malmö, for example, the phrase "no-go areas" is often used for parts of the city dominated by Muslims, as it is for the Paris suburbs. Can you speak to the truth of this assertion in the former case?

[WesternCulture]

Sorry for replying this late.

I've been to Malmö several times, also to London and other big cities in the UK, most of the biggest German and Italian cities and I've also visited Stockholm on numerous occasions. In none of these places have I experienced anything like a muslim dominated "no go-area".

However, among europeans, it's often said that such areas exist in the suburb concrete ghettos of Paris.
I haven't been to any such suburb, although I've had a glimpse of them from a car window when driving through the outskirts of Paris - and believe me, these suburbs offer a depressing sight.

Personally, I think Europe has to limit the influx of African and Middle East immigrants, but at the same time, I've also seen a lot of immigrants from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon etc coming to Europe who've been working hard and been perfectly law abiding.
This phenomena ought to be acknowledged to a further extent here on freerepublic.

The War On Terror is not a War On Islam.
If muslims, christians and jews could coexist during the Middle Ages, this should likewise be possible in the world of today.

[null and void]

To be honest, Sometimes even we swedes feel Sweden is an odd place.

*snrk* As a Californian, I can relate!