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Genetic evidence for punctuated equilibrium
The Scientist ^ | 06 October 2006 | Melissa Lee Phillips

Posted on 10/07/2006 9:08:18 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Evidence for punctuated equilibrium lies in the genetic sequences of many organisms, according to a study in this week's Science. Researchers report that about a third of reconstructed phylogenetic trees of animals, plants, and fungi reveal periods of rapid molecular evolution.

"We've never really known to what extent punctuated equilibrium is a general phenomenon in speciation," said Douglas Erwin of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C., who was not involved in the study. Since its introduction by Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge in the 1970s, the theory of punctuated equilibrium -- that evolution usually proceeds slowly but is punctuated by short bursts of rapid evolution associated with speciation -- has been extremely contentious among paleontologists and evolutionary biologists.

While most studies of punctuated equilibrium have come from analyses of the fossil record, Mark Pagel and his colleagues at the University of Reading, UK, instead examined phylogenetic trees generated from genetic sequences of closely related organisms.

Based on the number of speciation events and the nucleotide differences between species in each tree, the researchers used a statistical test to measure the amount of nucleotide divergence likely due to gradual evolution and the amount likely due to rapid changes around the time of speciation.

They found statistically significant evidence of punctuated evolution in 30% to 35% of the phylogenetic trees they examined. The remaining trees showed only evidence of gradual evolution.

Among the trees showing some evidence of punctuated equilibrium, the authors performed further tests to determine the size of the effect. They found that punctuated evolution could account for about 22% of nucleotide changes in the trees, leaving gradual evolution responsible for the other 78% of divergence between species.

Pagel and his colleagues were surprised that rapid evolution appears to contribute so much in some lineages, he said. "I would have maybe expected it to be half that much," he told The Scientist.

The researchers also found that rapid bursts of evolution appear to have occurred in many more plants and fungi than animals. Genetic alterations such as hybridization or changes in ploidy could allow rapid speciation, Pagel said, and these mechanisms are much more common in plants and fungi than in animals.

"Their result is pretty interesting, particularly the fact that they got so much more from plants and fungi than they did from animals, which I don't think most people would expect," Erwin told The Scientist.

However, it's possible that the analysis could be flawed, because the authors didn't take into account extinction rates in different phylogenetic trees when they determined the total number of speciation events, according to Douglas Futuyma of the State University of New York at Stony Brook, who was not involved in the study. But "they've got a very interesting case," he added. "I certainly think that this warrants more attention."

According to Pagel, the results suggest that other studies may have misdated some evolutionary events. Dates derived from molecular clocks assumed to have a slow, even tempo will place species divergences too far in the past, he said, since genetic change assumed to take place gradually may have happened very quickly.

"These kinds of events could really undo any notion of a molecular clock -- or at least one would have to be very careful about it," Futuyma told The Scientist.

Well known evolutionary mechanisms could account for rapid genetic change at speciation, Pagel said. Speciation often takes place when a population of organisms is isolated, which means that genetic drift in a small population or fast adaptation to a new niche could induce rapid evolutionary change.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; junkscience; ntsa; obsession; punctuatedidiocy; speculation
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To: null and void

Excellent post. I applaud you for your pithy comments.


181 posted on 10/07/2006 8:47:49 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: SoldierDad
Pithy??? Moi???

Thanks for the update on your son. With any luck, the coup going on in Iran will come to fruition and Iran's weapons supply and insurrection support to Iraq will dry up.

In the meanwhile I'll keep him in my thoughts

182 posted on 10/07/2006 8:52:52 PM PDT by null and void ("It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret."--Jackie Joyner-Kersee)
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To: null and void
With any luck, the coup going on in Iran will come to fruition and Iran's weapons supply and insurrection support to Iraq will dry up.

I will pray that Iran's current coup attempt bears fruit so that our troops will no longer have to worry about that front. Thanks for your thoughts for my son. Prayers up for the 10th Mountain.

183 posted on 10/07/2006 8:56:05 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: SoldierDad
I really don't know why I keep getting accused of "dismissing" the work of all these scientists when I'm just asking questions (and not getting any answers).

I did answer it. I asked why does the fossil record show a lack of modern species the farther back you go yet show numerous other species that do not exist today. Macro Evolution explains it very well, Creationism and ID doesn't.

But you know what SoldierDad, I really do give up this argument. I concede. You win. Sure... Creationism... who needs proof. Teach the controversy... Let's teach Noah's flood made the Grand Canyon. Can I prove it didn't? No... so go ahead... teach what you want.

It's midnight here and I am unusually tired, good night.

184 posted on 10/07/2006 9:04:05 PM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: PatrickHenry
Everybody be nice.

You post these controversial articles that YOU KNOW will get Freepers at each other's throats...and then you cutely say "Everybody be nice".

What a trouble maker!

185 posted on 10/07/2006 9:09:04 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge; PatrickHenry
You post these controversial articles that YOU KNOW will get Freepers at each other's throats...and then you cutely say "Everybody be nice".

What a trouble maker!

The title of the article was Genetic evidence for punctuated equilibrium.

It is an article about science, and some recent discoveries.

Are you suggesting that this is not an appropriate topic for an FR post?

Where is the controversy? Is there some scientific argument against this article?

Or, are you suggesting that this article may be opposed by a few religious fundamentalists, and therefore is not appropriate for FR?

Could you please clarify your opposition to this, and other scientific articles?

186 posted on 10/07/2006 9:18:45 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: trashcanbred

I hope you rest well. I know you believe you are giving the answer I'm looking for, and I appreciate what you've provided. I must admit that of all those who have made posts to me, you are the only one who has provided a complete explanation that makes sense.

I do not accept "creationism" as expressed by some. I think there could be an alternate explanation for why the fossil record shows a lack of modern species the farther back that record goes, but there can be no proof for that explanation. And, this isn't about me. I neither can win or lose, which is true for all others as well. Just asking questions - looking for explanatations which make sense. Thanks for your well thought out posts. Gives much food for thought.


187 posted on 10/07/2006 9:21:48 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Coyoteman; PatrickHenry
Could you please clarify your opposition to this, and other scientific articles?

You see what I mean?

I didn't offer A SINGLE opinion on the article and ALREADY I got poster challenging me on WHY I OPPOSE it. LOL!

188 posted on 10/07/2006 9:28:50 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
I didn't offer A SINGLE opinion on the article and ALREADY I got poster challenging me on WHY I OPPOSE it. LOL!

You stated unambiguous opposition to the posting of the article, regardless of your opinion of the subject. Coyoteman's question was specifically addressing your opposition to the posting of articles like this, an opposition that you have already made clear.
189 posted on 10/07/2006 10:19:13 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: plain talk

No, it wasn't. It was a load of ignorant crap.


190 posted on 10/07/2006 10:19:22 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: Stultis; Ol' Sparky
Obviously you're an antievolutionist, but I still don't understand why you react to strongly to this specific research. Note the the analysis was only done on "closely related species," doubtless in nearly all cases those that even the strictest creationists consider members of the same "created kinds." IOW creatures that even creationists think are related by normal biological reproduction, i.e. evolutio

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.

191 posted on 10/07/2006 10:20:37 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: edsheppa

It was scientific skepticism that lead me to the right.


192 posted on 10/07/2006 10:21:34 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: stultorum
Anyway, my objection to evolution's claims is that it is not a precise science, far from it. Also -- and this is the primary reason why I must presently discard it -- it goes against a God or a creator, or the mystery of life, if you will.

No, it doesn't.

193 posted on 10/07/2006 10:29:04 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think "punctuated equilibrium" sounds as silly as the idea that the Earth's ecosphere is periods of stability followed by periods of great upheaval.

That is, not very silly and very likely. Or do you believe that the Earth changed at the same speed throughout it's existence?


194 posted on 10/07/2006 10:45:27 PM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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placemarker


195 posted on 10/07/2006 11:59:00 PM PDT by jennyp (There's ALWAYS time for jibber jabber!)
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To: trashcanbred
If you have time, please see the article on the "Santorum Amendment" to the No Child Left Behind act.

Thanks. Such a display of egotism is really disgusting!

196 posted on 10/08/2006 12:38:11 AM PDT by Virginia-American (Don't bring a comic book to an encyclopedia fight)
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To: stands2reason

The prophet Isaiah:

Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help,
who rely on horses,
who trust in the multitude of their chariots
and in the great strength of their horsemen,
but do not look to the Holy One of Israel,
or seek help from the LORD.

Yet he too is wise and can bring disaster;
he does not take back his words.
He will rise up against the house of the wicked,
against those who help evildoers.

But the Egyptians are men and not God;
their horses are flesh and not spirit.
When the LORD stretches out his hand,
he who helps will stumble,
he who is helped will fall;
both will perish together.

Isaiah 31:1-3


197 posted on 10/08/2006 12:57:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (What man doesn't know about God's creation is still enough to fill a universe...)
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To: EternalVigilance
I already did. The substance of this article, if it was placed on a scale...

If I cared to do so...

I guess you failed to read my opening comment:

I disprove your points by bolding your words

198 posted on 10/08/2006 5:41:45 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Jorge

You alone are responsible for the content and tone of your posts.


199 posted on 10/08/2006 8:33:17 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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100


200 posted on 10/08/2006 8:35:05 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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