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Victor Davis Hanson: The War and Its Critics
pajamasmedia.com ^ | October 3, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 10/05/2006 10:36:30 AM PDT by Tolik

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1 posted on 10/05/2006 10:36:31 AM PDT by Tolik
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2 posted on 10/05/2006 10:37:09 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

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3 posted on 10/05/2006 10:40:04 AM PDT by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME----You need FR, you know you do, so how about donating??)
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To: Tolik
How odd, this controversy: traditional moralists like some of the Republicans are defending a predatory pederast who seems to be infatuated with teen-age Congressional pages who are entrusted as near children to his care, . . .

Huh? I haven't heard one R defending Foley.

4 posted on 10/05/2006 10:47:44 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Tolik
With all do respect Dr Hanson, your take on Iraq is far too influenced by the Junk Media's nonsense and far too little based on actual facts about Iraq.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces

Listening to all the Media hysteria over Bob Woodward's latest attempt to be the new Kitty Kelly, one is struck by just how wrong the Drive By Media is on every aspect of the Iraq War.

Here is the raw data on Iraq. Seems Bob Woodward latest work is simply a regurgitation of every falsehood, half truth and exaggeration present by the Junk Media on Iraq since 2003.

In a vain attempt to falsely validate preconceived notions, Mr Woodward demonstrated how the Left has managed to be wrong on every aspect of the Iraq War. Mr Woodward's central thesis is that attacks are "as high as they have ever been". Perhaps that is true. Even if true those attacks are getting less and less effective. If conditions are worsening why were the Iraqis taking higher monthly casualties in 2004 and 2005 with a smaller force?

Simply put BW, like the rest of the American Political Left is full of it. They have had their minds made up about Iraq from even before the war started. In his latest work it is clear Mr Woodward simply went to find people who would say what he wanted to hear. It is also becoming apparent that when he did not hear what he wanted, Mr Woodward simply misquoting the source to put his Democrat Party Masters spin on the data. Apparently this current book is his act of atonement to the DC Establishment for writing a fairly balanced book on President Bush last time.

If you chart the data at the sources above, you see a base line of violence. While the violence ebbs and flows the base line is steady at 65 Coalition casualties a month. The Iraqis are averaging a steady 200 casualties a month. No sustained rise in baseline casualties to validate the "Iraq is heading for Civil War" Democrat Media Machine spin.

What is particularly significant about the Iraqi Security Forces casualties is they are averaging the same casualty levels with a much larger force. As of Aug 2006 there is a 300,000 Iraqi security force in the field with about 5,000 being added a month. By the end of the year the Iraqi Security Forces will be complete fielded. Right now out of 18 provinces in Iraq only 2 are considered "not ready" for transition to Iraqi control. Of course the two provinces are Anbar, the province along the Syrian border and Basrah the Shi'a stronghold along the border with Iran. Yet even in both those areas significant progress has been made just in September 2006 alone.

In Anbar the Iraqi tribes have entered into an agreement to work with the Iraqi Government to root out the foreign terrorist groups. In Basrah, the British and Iraqi forces just started operations to crack down on the Shi'a militias.

Iraq: British, Iraq troops begin Basra mission

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1709154/posts

Most Tribes in Anbar Agree to Unite Against Insurgents (The NY Times is deeply saddened)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1703582/posts

This data totally undercuts the spin presented by Bob Woodward, and other Democrat Party propagandists, that Iraq is "heading for Civil War" or is "spinning out of control".

What Woodward et all seem to fixate on is Iraqi Civilian casualties. What they forget is a terrorist or a militia member killed in intra tribal gang warfare is considered "an Iraqi civilian casualty". So when you hear a news story that says "40 bodies discovered around Baghdad" MOST of them are probably casualties from gang on gang violence. While that violence is an on growing crises we and the Iraqis will have to deal with, it is not a fundamental threat to the long term survival of the Iraqi Government.

Obviously the immediate counter the Leftist propagandists will claim is that ;We are not making fast enough progress" That is nonsense.

look at the data on Iraqi security forces. More and more of the job is being taken up by Iraqi forces. 2 of 18 Providence have been turned over to complete Iraqi control. Out of 18 Iraqi provinces all but 2 are at least partially under Iraqi control All the progress in the war is on our side. The enemy is making no progress. Time is on our side, not theirs.

Another factor on Iraq the Leftists fails to grasp is how the war in Iraq has fundamentally changed in the last 6 months. Because the external Terrorist threat has been significantly reduced, we are able to focus on other lesser threats. Witness what the British down south, and the US in the Baghdad region, are doing. They are working with the Iraqis to weed out the gangs and militia that sprung up in the wake of Saddam's fall.

Counter Insurgency is slow, painful work. But the progress is all on our side. The "Insurgents" has demonstrated no ability to politically or militarily evolve. Guerrilla war strategy consists of 3 phases.

1. Stage one: very small unit harassment actions.

2. Stage two: continuation of state one with an evolution to large units actions. Development of larger and large geographic areas fully under Guerrilla control.

3. Stage three: conventional warfare between large units.

The Terrorists are still stuck in stage one of Guerrilla Warfare. They can wreck stuff and kill people they cannot grow. They cannot take and hold ground or engage in anything beyond small scale hit and run attacks.

Their failure to develop a shadow political structure to act as a polar opposite to the Iraqi Government is their fatal flaw. They simply lack the structure or local support network needed to move beyond state one

The claims and assumptions stated as "fact" by the Junk Media on Iraq are fraudulent. Considering how much they have got wrong on Ira, one has to wonder just what else he make up for their "News"?

5 posted on 10/05/2006 10:49:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: Tolik

Once again, VDH delivers a flawless barrage of common sense and historical perspective.


6 posted on 10/05/2006 10:54:37 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: ModelBreaker
Oh the irony. Hanson writes this:

It would be as if I wrote a history of the Peloponnesian War and, to support my most controversial points, added footnotes that stated “A manuscript in the Vatican,” or “Private letter to author from anonymous Greek shepherd attesting a stone altar in his field”

And then he follows up his complaints about Woodward making unsupported allegations against Rumsfeld with his own unsupported allegations against Republicans.

7 posted on 10/05/2006 10:59:10 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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What Hanson says here is an example to help make his point. He did not write a book about the Peloponnesian War with insufficient notes.


8 posted on 10/05/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by RexBeach (Will Rogers Never Met Bill Clinton.)
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To: MNJohnnie

The Democrats have nothing to offer and nothing to loose.

George W. Bush will be their scapegoat.


9 posted on 10/05/2006 11:05:02 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: Tolik
why some of the Republicans have hesitated to damn his behavior

Who?

Hanson proves once again he should stick to ancient history.

10 posted on 10/05/2006 11:10:26 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: MNJohnnie
GOOD POST, Thanks. My Son-in-Law is a Green Beret Major, with a MA in Mideast Studies and is fluent in Arabic. He came back from the big sandbox several months ago. He said that during the time he was in Iraq the abilities and effectiveness of the Iraqi forces significantly improved. I gather from talking with him that Iraq is going to be messy for some time. However, If half of your analysis is true, if the hang in there, success is most likely. Even if a RAT is elected President, given that W will not duck and run, we have a little more than two years to prepare for reducing forces. I'm no expert, but I would think that we should be able to do this. I know that the Iraqi's will continue to need air support, and logistical help, but we won't need large numbers of troops in country in three years?

What do you think?
11 posted on 10/05/2006 11:16:56 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: RexBeach
I think you missed the context I was using the quote in. Hanson damned Woodward for making unspported allegations against various people. Hanson, however, does the exact same thing when he writes thus:

How odd, this controversy: traditional moralists like some of the Republicans are defending a predatory pederast who seems to be infatuated with teen-age Congressional pages who are entrusted as near children to his care, . . .

I think a footnote or two naming the Republicans who are defending 'a predatory pederast' would be nice, don't you?

12 posted on 10/05/2006 11:19:04 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
Hanson, however, does the exact same thing when he writes

He rails against "unidentified" sources, then does it himself. Strange.

13 posted on 10/05/2006 11:23:40 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: vbmoneyspender

I see. Got it. Wasn't clear to me in your first post.

-Rex


14 posted on 10/05/2006 11:23:59 AM PDT by RexBeach (Will Rogers Never Met Bill Clinton.)
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To: RexBeach

I was being too oblique for my own good. :)


15 posted on 10/05/2006 11:31:31 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Tolik
in the middle of a war, savvy is apparently defined as changing positions and views to keep pace with the upside-downside battlefield, rather than looking at the long-term conduct of the war.

Nice insight.

16 posted on 10/05/2006 2:30:08 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: MNJohnnie

Bravo.


17 posted on 10/05/2006 2:41:21 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: MNJohnnie

Well noted, indeed.


18 posted on 10/05/2006 8:02:59 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: ModelBreaker
Huh? I haven't heard one R defending Foley.

I think Hanson must have skimmed the news. I believe he has confused "defending Foley" with "defending Hastert".

This column was far from a home run. It was a long fly ball that went foul at the last moment.

19 posted on 10/05/2006 9:50:29 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: Tolik
The first part of this (Pseudo-footnotes) seems to be a re-hash of this, which linked to this.

But anyhow, there's a treasure of comment in Post-Iraq and Congressional Pederasty.
     Re: Post-Iraq, it's true that some people are so naïve as to think a war will be executed perfectly. By their philosophy, if a football team is losing a game, it should walk off the field in disgrace. In actuality, the winner is the team that learns during the process of the game and adjusts its strategy to defeat the other team.
      Re: Congressional Pederasty (going to have to look that word up), I agree. The Republican supporters are really losing by immediately jumping to the "dirty tricks" rage rather than considering that something really ugly happened to/by a member of their party. (They are also causing the issue to persist in the media; although I suppose the media could "Abu Ghraib" this on their own.) Anyhow, it's a shame when one person's behavior is attributed as a characteristic of their entire party, whether Democrat or Republican. It is this kind of attitude that results in people voting mindless at the polls rather than considering who is the better candidate and daring to even consider pulling the level of a candidate of the opposite party.
20 posted on 10/06/2006 8:31:30 AM PDT by Pirate21 (The liberal media are as sheep clearing the path along which they will be led to the slaughter.)
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