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John Paul II Shouldn't Have Survived Gunshot(Miracle?)
NewsMax.com ^ | Oct. 2, 2006 | staff

Posted on 10/02/2006 6:07:20 PM PDT by kellynla

Doctors who operated on Pope John Paul after a 1981 assassination attempt were convinced he would die under the knife, his ex-secretary says in a new book.

Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, now archbishop of Krakow in Poland, also says in a memoir due to be published next year that efforts to save the pope were hampered by a series of glitches.

Brief excerpts of "My Life with Karol" were made available on Monday by the Italian publisher Rizzoli ahead of its presentation at the Frankfurt Book Fair this week.

In a chapter called "Those Two Bullets", Dziwisz recalls his feelings when Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca shot the Pope while his open jeep was being driven through St Peter's Square on May 13, 1981 at the start of his weekly general audience.

"I tried to hold him up (after he was hit by the second bullet) but it was as if he was letting himself go sweetly," writes Dziwisz, who served Karol Wojtyla for nearly four decades from the time the future pontiff was a bishop in Poland.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholic; johnpaulii; pope
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To: Eagles6
Nah, he was a tool of the Bulgarian secret service.

At that time, the Islamo-fascist movement was too weak to aim at the Pope. Especially via a Turk.

21 posted on 10/02/2006 7:01:45 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: STARWISE
Rumor has it her saw Our Lady just as he was shot-he did call out to Her.
22 posted on 10/02/2006 7:01:59 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: oceanview

No,I will look it up hold on.


23 posted on 10/02/2006 7:02:49 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: fatima

I would believe that. > {{{{fatima}}}}


24 posted on 10/02/2006 7:03:52 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: fatima

there is alot of mystery surrounding the 3rd prediction.


25 posted on 10/02/2006 7:04:34 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: gcruse

That's why there's chocolate and vanilla .. ;) (You'd have to know the history here.)


26 posted on 10/02/2006 7:05:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: oceanview

“J.M.J.

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.



27 posted on 10/02/2006 7:05:56 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: kellynla
"I tried to hold him up (after he was hit by the second bullet) but it was as if he was letting himself go sweetly,"

Brilliant move, hey you guys, as a single Catholic guy, if I ever happen to become Pope, remind me to remove from their position anyone like this guy who offerers to stand me up like a pinata so I get hit a few more times by a mad gunman.

28 posted on 10/02/2006 7:06:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: oceanview

Yes and No,My take is 2 Popes.


29 posted on 10/02/2006 7:06:54 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: fatima

what do you mean "2 popes"?


30 posted on 10/02/2006 7:08:20 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: STARWISE
He put the bullet in Her crown at Fatima.:)I have another story.I spoke to the highest authority on this in the USA.They were forming the World Apostate Of Fatima at the Vatican.The Holy Father John Paul 11 called down and asked are you done yet,they said no-they called up when they were done and he read it and signed it-World Apostate Of Fatima is an association of the Vatican.Only a few hold that title.
31 posted on 10/02/2006 7:14:52 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Along with Thatcher they were the two key figures to defeat the Evil Empire.


32 posted on 10/02/2006 7:18:41 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: oceanview

oceanview,I read it as 2 Popes.


33 posted on 10/02/2006 7:18:57 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: gcruse

I have to agree with that logic. If you look at God's position on sin, I.E. that there is no such thing as a "little sin", than how can it be that one human being's life is more important than anothers? Why does God allow some to die seemingly unjustly while allowing others to live? I can answer this in one way that makes any sense. God, if you believe in him, has given us all his Spirit. We are given the free will to use this spirit however we choose. Those who make "miraculous" recoveries or perform miracles are able to tap into that spirit while others have no idea why they have the spirit to begin with. Therefore, ad infinitum, God, through our ability to use the Spirit, has performed such miricles.


34 posted on 10/02/2006 7:19:50 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: A CA Guy

That thought crossed my mind as well. Hold him up?!? Why wouldn't you be laying him in the floor of the car and covering him?!?


35 posted on 10/02/2006 7:24:58 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468

Maybe this guy hoped to become the next Pope and wanted to help things along.

I call nobody a friend of mine that sees me shot and tries to keep me still standing to get shot some more for target practice.

Sounds like a Scary Movie 5 plot.


36 posted on 10/02/2006 7:27:30 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Moonman62

WOW! Fantastic pic!


37 posted on 10/02/2006 8:03:59 PM PDT by DesignerChick
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To: kellynla
(Miracle?)

Was there ever a doubt?

38 posted on 10/02/2006 8:06:21 PM PDT by Barnacle (America, America God shed His grace on thee.)
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To: DesignerChick

It is,the Holy Father had a professional do these and I saw a few with a personal friend of his.He told me if you have knowledge and info the door is open if not the door might shut.


39 posted on 10/02/2006 8:11:01 PM PDT by fatima (Go Eagles.)
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To: Barnacle

Was there ever a doubt?


Did you read the article?


"The doctors who carried out the surgery told me later that while they were operating they were convinced that the patient would not survive,"


40 posted on 10/02/2006 8:36:08 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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