Posted on 10/02/2006 5:41:31 PM PDT by paltz
Since these communications appear to have existed for three years, there should be an investigation into the extent that there are persons who knew or had possession of these messages but did not report them to the appropriate authorities. This is in Hastert's letter to the justice department. It is important to know who may have had the communications and why they were not given to prosecutors before now. Hastert just went out there and said we -- the Republicans -- we did not have these instant messages. We did not know about these instant messages, but somebody did. Who are they? And how did those instant messages end up getting to ABC? Who had these instant messages? Now, again, I had a weekend at a friend's house, a bunch of people around all day and night Saturday discussing this, and I said, "There's so much of this that smells to me."
Aside from what Foley did -- nobody is defending Foley -- the thing that struck me, the similar thing that struck me was, members of Congress have had the National Intelligence Estimate since April. They've known what was in it. All of a sudden one sentence from it gets leaked last Sunday to the New York Times. Voila! We think we've got a brand-new discovery, something that's been covered up. But some diligent whistleblower has finally released it to the New York Times, and nothing was further from the truth. It was known, and it was held in abeyance, and it was used in a dishonest, misleading way in the election cycle, by the media, the New York Times, and whoever it is that fed it to them. Now, this Foley business.
Obviously there are people who have known this. The page knew it. How did the page, who did he talk to? Who did the page talk to and then who did that person then talk to, and who started rubbing their hands together and salivating, and how long ago? You know, Foley is from a safe seat. Foley's reelection was guaranteed. But now, it is assumed the Democrats are going to take the seat, because Foley has resigned and it's said that he needs to get some serious help for alcoholism. Now, you know what Foley could have done. Foley could have said -- as was recently done in Washington, by the way. Foley could have said that what he was doing was mixing some pills while he was consuming his adult beverage, and when he was sending these instant messages to the page he actually thought that he was on his way to vote. But he didn't do that.
Now, it was only last week, maybe two weeks ago, the New York Times ran a story on the glory and the salvation and the wonderfulness of four, what is it, months of sobriety by Patrick Kennedy and how Washington has come together to discover its common humanity to help a fallen comrade regain his sense of balance and put his life back together. Really? Is that what this episode shows? Don't think this episode shows that at all. Now, Hastert -- and he was pretty firm, he was pretty (for him) animated. He made it plain: We didn't have these IMs. We didn't know about these IMs. These instant messages, which are far more explicit than the e-mails that ABC originally released. But he says somebody did. Somebody had 'em, and somebody knew this was going on, and what about all this for-the-children stuff?
Where was the concern for the kid, the pages here, who actually got caught up in all this? It doesn't seem to be that there was any concern. This was seen purely as a political opportunity by the Democrats to take down a sitting member of the House of Representatives as the time became right. Now, the question arises, will this backfire? Republicans seem to be playing this in the correct way on both ends. They've condemned Foley. They say he has no place here. We don't tolerate this, and they're not saying -- unlike Democrats. Democrats do. I am telling you again, Democrats do not find what Foley did with the page repugnant at all.
Democrats celebrate human weakness. Democrats celebrate it; they coddle it. They believe in the imperfection of all of us. They believe that the human is imperfect, and they think they own the compassion issue by embracing all of this imperfection out there, and then they turn their guns on the Republicans who they say are intolerant, when they condemn lawlessness, when they condemn people who engage in things that are wrong, as opposed to right. The very fact that Republicans even discuss the concepts of right and wrong makes them judgmental and rigid and intolerant, racist, sexist, bigot homophobes is the cliché, and so they're taking this and saying, "See? We're the compassionate ones."
It's all smoke and mirrors, but nobody is going to convince me -- and I'm not even talking about how horrible it was that Foley did it. They're trying to say, "Look at how rotten Republicans are." But they're not condemning it. They've defended it. A caller just said, Gerry Studds did more than engage in an exchange of words with the page. He actually went out there and had a little whoopee and the House censured him, and he got reelected from his district. Twice, I think. Barney Frank and so on. You can't convince me the Democrats find any of this behavior repugnant.
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RUSH: We have the audio sound bite from Denny Hastert about a half hour ago. He said this about the instant message exchanges from Mark Foley to a page.
HASTERT: Anyone who had knowledge of these instant messages should have turned them over to authorities immediately so that kids could be protected. I repeat again, the Republican leaders of the House did not have them. We have all said so and on the record. But someone did have them.
RUSH: That's right.
HASTERT: And the ethics committee, the justice department, the news media, and anyone who can should help us find out.
RUSH: News media. Ha-ha.
HASTERT: Yesterday I sent a letter to the attorney general requesting that he investigate to what extent any federal laws were violated by Congressman Foley and also to find out who might have known about the sexually explicit instant messages. I was pleased to read in the newspaper this morning that the FBI has begun to investigate.
RUSH: All right. All right. So now we know that Hastert didn't know about the instant messages, but somebody did -- and since their strategic release, remember, the release of these instant messages was not to protect this kid, not to protect the page or any other page. The release of all this was not to clean up Washington. The release of all this was not to make sure that some predator pedophile was running around loose; got caught and sent out of town. That was not the purpose of this. This was a strategic release to help the Democrats during the election. So I, El Rushbo, America's real anchorman, want to know when the Democrats knew about the instant messages. They may have known about this before Hastert and the Republicans. It would appear so. So the question is, when did Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats know about the instant messages? That needs to be the question that needs to be asked. All these jerks out there suggesting that Hastert and everybody else resign are missing the point. The real question here is who had these instant messages, for how long, and who coordinated their release in a strategic way with Brian Ross at ABC?
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I wouldn't put it past the traitorous bunch dems..they are as bad as they were during the Civil War.
The most important post of the evening BUMP!
Hastert: Who(Which Dems) Had Foley's IMs for Three Years?
or
Who (Which republicans) had foley's IMs for 3 years?
politics is a dirty game.
It's actually possible that this was entrapment.
I don't care if it was entrapment--it takes two to tango. I have zero sympathy for hypocritical POSs like Foley.
I believe those are the things Hastert wants the AG to find out. I read today that the FBI has begun its investigation.
the FBI isn't going to get to the bottom of that part of the story.
I smell a rat. A whole party of rats.
Oh, I'm glad they forced Foley out, if he admitted to them that he had sent the IMs. They're showing they won't support his kind of garbage. I don't like the fact that for innocuous things like what Trent said about Strom Thurmond, they rolled over and played dead for the Dems and the media. THAT was spineless.
what's so koolaid about asking these questions?
They are indeed legitimate questions, and if Congressional Democrats knew about the IM's before congressional republicans here then a real legal issue is going on that you don't want to address, b/c then the wrong people people are being blamed for the wrong reasons.
Be careful, many here will accuse you of being disloyal for even positing that.
Yes I have read some of those reports that Soros and his crew are behind this. Now, think about it. They deliberately chose to have Foley continue with his predation, and wait until they could derive optimum benefit at the poles. During that time, ponder the possibility of other children being preyed upon. But that would not matter to the dem. As long as they win the House. It is beyond political opportunism. It is political opportunism at the expense of putting children up for the expense of it. It is more than adults misbehaving with adults, in all of their forms. It is the willful, conscience choice to use the children as a tool to their political end. If the kids get scarred in the process....so be it. That is too much to ignore. The republicans need to get down and ugly. Put it all out there, this is internicine warfare.
oh, no, you are right. the "overly-friendly" defense is a bunch of BS. What the hell does that mean, anyway? and if its no big deal, why ask him to stop talking to the kid? This is a joke. "Oh, I only thought he was flirting with the boy, I didn't know he wanted to have sex with him!" Quit defending it.
Indeed.
I have no loyalty to any party.
my loyalty is to my nation, my constitution and my fellow citizens.
Not that anyone cares really, but at least you brought the issue of loyalty up for discussion.
"the FBI isn't going to get to the bottom"
we may need Foley back to do that!!
I'm shocked someone (else) would bring up principle before party. Be prepared to suffer the slings and arrows here. Quite sad really but to be expected.
I'm not defending Foley. Read my posts. If you are still confused, get someone to read them to you.
You're beginning to become hysterical and methinks thou dost protest just a wee bit too much. You do know what THAT suggests.....don't you?
From what I have seen so far of these PDFs are poorly constructed Fakes.
I have a problem with the fact they have NO DATES only time stamps and Font colors and type change during sessions as if the sexxed up text was added by someone that has never IMed and was color blind.
You're absolutely right; well put...I couldn't have said it any better!
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