UK : Hundreds clash in street battle

Lancashire Evening Post ^ | 10/02/2006

[Republicain]

A teenager was stabbed when hundreds of people became involved in a battle on the streets of Preston. Trouble centred on the Jamea Masjid mosque in Clarendon Street, Avenham, for more than four hours last night (Sunday) and led to a massive policing operation.

Preston's police chief said the problems were triggered by local youths throwing stones at cars belonging to people attending the mosque.

This sparked a response from around 200 people inside the mosque who came out to defend those under attack.

It resulted in one 16-year-old Asian youth being stabbed in the arm, but ambulance crews were turned back as the police felt it was too dangerous for them to enter the scene.

Fighting continued into the early hours and led to police requiring back-up from officers as far away as Lancaster and Burnley.

Chief Supt Mike Barton, divisional commander for the area, said more than 100 officers were deployed and he was treating the incident as race-related.

He said: "Some people I spoke to at the mosque insisted it wasn't racial but I think some people at the mosque believe it was.

"Until we actually find the offenders and speak to them, and because some people believe it to be racial, then that's how we'll treat it."

Insp Simon Hayes, force incident manager for Lancashire Police, described the incident as "community tension" with youths on the streets in a "confrontational mood".

He said: "As a result of that, there was a high-level policing operation to reassure the public and disperse these groups.

"There was no major disorder or serious incident."

Ilyas Desail, of the Jamea mosque on Clarendon Street, said: "It is not a mosque issue, it is a community issue.

"It is the month of Ramadan and that is the only reason the mosque has been brought into this.

"We are all upset by this, everyone is upset. No one is going to be happy with the tarnishing of such great efforts we have made in Preston in the past 40 years."

A mother-of-three, 33, from Clarendon Street, said: "It's getting ridiculous and for the past two nights there's been fighting."

[Twinkie]

Sorry about your bouts with "pure idiocy" that drives you from your state of Lurkerdom . . . inner struggles are so difficult . . sigh . . .

[TheWorldsWorstLurker]

lol. That was almost witty. :)

[Twinkie]

Hmm.. I've heard that Annie sometimes lurks and posts on FR. Of course, I'm just a poor, uninformed, unbrilliant, underpsychoanalyzed Twinkie, so what would I know. . . .

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

What needs to be done, is that we need a British John Howard...

Or another Sir Winston Churchill...

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

[MadIvan]

American toddlers don't play with their own feces, Ivan. They have binkies, play dough and toys. Discussing your own behavior in regard to poo-poo as an infant might not be all that appropriate here . . . but, don't be ashamed of your babyhood fetishes. . unless, of course, you haven't outgrown them. If not, we can send you a big pack of Play Dough in a rainbow of colors as a constructive substitute . . .

It's not unreasonable to assume you'd play with your own feces, as quite frankly, everything you say speaks of a person who is full of crap.

Ivan

[Tokra]

WHO is the hell are you to insist that Brits, in their own papers, use terms that YOU would use and understand? You've been given the explanation, yet that isn't good enough somehow because the whole of England is wrong and you are right! Geez, after this thread, I don't think *I* even like Americans amymore.

And please tell me who the hell are you to tell me I'm not entitled to an opinion?

I have always had the greatest respect for Britain and the Birtish people. Am I not allowed to express my opinion about the lack of courage of the British press in tip-toeing around the fact that a muslim is a muslim?

And your comment about not liking Americans anymore just because I had the nerve to express my opinion speaks volumes about your maturity level or your mental stability.

The freedom to express our opinions is the basis of America. Obviously things are different for you.

How DARE I express an opinion different from yours! What nerve!

It's probably a good thing you don't live in the US - if you think everyone should just shut up when they don't agree with you, you'd be in a constant state of outrage living here.

Then again, you'd probably feel right at home at D.U. - they also don't like it when people don't "tow the party line."

This is a free forum and I am free to express my opinion about whatever I choose and if you don't like it - then don't read my posts! Sheeesh.

[Twinkie]

So, you don't want the Play Dough then?

[jpsb]

I don't see to much bashing of the UK, LOL, a little here and there mainly by fools. Bill boards all over the country bashing the USA, seems quite a bit diferent to me.

[vrwcagent0498]

Great comment!

[Gengis Khan]

familyop...... are you trying to say that had America been an empire like the Raj, we would have seen some 3 million Brit soldiers been used as cannon fodder in places like Vietnam and elsewhere and we would be witnessing a hunger holocaust of biblical proportions back home in Britain? You are damn right.

Read on the Brit propaganda and ........grow it like it. /sarc

[familyop]

"familyop...... are you trying to say that had America been an empire like the Raj, we would have seen some 3 million Brit soldiers been used as cannon fodder in places like Vietnam and elsewhere and we would be witnessing a hunger holocaust of biblical proportions back home in Britain? You are damn right.

Read on the Brit propaganda and ........grow it like it. /sarc"

Yes...exactly that and other instances of colonization. Thank you for bringing that to our attention, GK. "Raj Empire" (done without the quotation marks here) is a good phrase of keywords for searches on the history, and the information might be good for everyone reading this thread. But people new to reading histories of empires, beware of propaganda pieces administered by nationalist subjects of former empires. Read the histories from colonials or from third parties.

Most Americans are unaware of important facts from our own history of warfare against empire (examples being promises to lords of large areas to rule, and that there was more than one war for independence).

[Gengis Khan]

I was reading the arguments from both sides and was wondering ......well when did Britain ever do "nation building" and that too for "hundreds of years"??!! And telling US to "get out of the way" sounded like a comment from someone who thinks his balls are bigger then his brains.

Probably in the Islamic version of Oxford dictionary and Queen's (Arabized) English .......
"Building" is now == "F**king" or "Raping". Hardly surprising for people fantasizing about their over-sized balls they borrowed from their Muslim masters.

So America get outta their way! /sarc

[sheik yerbouty]

Jihadistanian..