Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Developing....
School Shooting injures one person,
Hostage situation may be developing.
Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County
Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.
Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting
NICKEL MINES, Pa. — At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.
State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.
"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.
Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.
"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.
After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.
TXBubba, I may be one of the few who agree with you here today. But it is very very hard to "lay down one's life for a friend", even if the Bible tells us "greater love hath no one". Realistically, in the moment, self-preservation is a mighty strong force.
Who knows, really, what you or I would do when confronted with such an awful decision.
Excuses, excuses. Evil is evil.
three girls were critical and sent to Hershey Medical Ctr I believe, and I just read that 2 girls are at Children's Hospital at Univ.of Pa Medical Ctr in Phila, - a top hospital for children....I pray they can save them.
I disagree. There comes a time when sheer stubbornness is not enough to defend a faith where women and children are expendable.
Some people would rather die than renounce God.
Never an excuse. I worry about the safety of our citizens from other evil and mentally ill people out there.
Father Abraham was ready to kill his own son rather than disobey God.
I hadn't heard that, but I was expecting to. I expect we'll hear more tragic news about this.
CopyCat crimes are especially frightening now....I wonder if he was "inspired" by the highschool shootings.
Pacifism is such an integral part of their faith, they aren't going to give it up over one isolated incident, no matter how tragic. Their faith has been tested many times, and will be tested many more times.
Thank you for keeping me up to date.
How do you know she didn't call the cops? I believe by the time she got home, the cops had been notified already.
Oh, come on. They are not renouncing God. They are renouncing electricity, telephones, indoor plumbing, and higher education.
Agree, 100%. There is no rhyme or reason to evil. It is a mystery.
What does any of the modern technology have to do with the pacifism you suggested they should renounce? In taking up arms against their fellow man, even in self defense, they would be renouncing God, in their eyes. They aren't going to switch to your religion just because they've had one tragic event. They will continue to worship God, as they always have.
Earlier in the thread the Religious Moderator asked that we refrain from disucussions about the good/bad aspects of the Amish faith...perhaps a thread in the Religion section would be a better place for this?
It seems from what we've seen in recent history- if someone is hellbent on killing children and/or adults- they're going to find a way.
We can make ourselves safer- but we will never be SAFE.
We are DEDICATED homeschoolers, but from my experience, it is likely the children in Amish schools get a better education than they would in a lot of the homeschools I know, including my own.
We use books from Pathways and Rod & Staff curricula, which are printed by the Amish and Mennonites, respectively, and they are serious, steep-curve currucula. No fuzzy-wuzzy, feel-good junk.
Next to the Amish and Mennonite currucula, the others look downright silly with their dress-up clowns and dancing-bears.
However, our teachers (Mama and Papa) have guns, but we don't carry them all the time. So our children are probably a little safer. Depends on if the invader can get the jump on us.
this is interesting - but this crime against these innocent girls will be amoung their most tragic history.
I don't know what freepatriot posted because it appears those comments have been deleted. I'm on freepatriot's ping list, but I have no ping from him to this thread; it probably was deleted. I did read some responses quoting his comments as "another reason to homeschool ping," and I'm going to assume he was pinging me with a heads-up because ARTHS is simply the name of the list I run.
Freepatriot, if the reaction you received was negative, the name of our list is probably what set people off. In fact, I never use the name on school tragedy threads like this one for that very reason. I'll respond to some of those freepers.
Wagglebee, true, these shootings can happen anywhere. The big public schools are just bigger targets - there are a lot of kids, people there are unarmed, etc. A small, one-room Amish school is practically a homeschool group. I've often worried that people could start targeting homeschool groups, but they don't know where we meet. In my state, we're like an underground movement. I have to say, too, in a lot of the homeschool groups, even in the blue state where I live, many of the people there have quick access to a gun if needed.
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