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Illegal-But Essential
LA Times ^ | 10/1/06 | David Streitfield

Posted on 10/01/2006 1:41:26 PM PDT by World_Events

Shortly after dawn, the day laborers began gathering beneath a San Diego Freeway overpass in West Los Angeles.

A house painter pulled up in a pickup, looking for an assistant. He offered $12 an hour. A worker jumped in.

The work is undertaken by men from Mexico and Central America. Most are in this country illegally. The jobs, which last only a day or two and pay cash, are all but invisible to the state and federal governments. No one has to fill out paperwork, follow safety regulations or pay taxes.

Yet what happens here is far from marginal. The jobs that flow out of this day-laborer hiring spot — and from thousands of others around the state, some as informal as a street corner — are a pillar of California's economic strength.

To see why, check out Adrian Lopez, 20, who is kicking around a soccer ball as he waits. Lopez, who came here from the Mexican state of Oaxaca, is carrying in his Everest backpack a Sony Walkman from the Best Buy across the street.

It's got a CD by the Argentine group Los Enanitos Verdes inside, bought at a Ritmo Latino store. He has a bottle of Kirkland Premium Drinking Water, purchased at Costco, and a spare Old Navy shirt. He likes the grilled steak at Baja Bud's. He wasn't impressed by "Monster House."

"Immigrants buy everything here," Lopez said in Spanish.

"Overall, immigration has been a net gain for American citizens, though a modest one in proportion to the size of our $13-trillion economy," 500 economists wrote in an open letter to Congress on June 19.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; davidstreitfield; daylaborers; immigrantlist; undergroundeconomy
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To: ruination

"David Streitfield also wrote the Americans-won't-do-landscaping-even-for-$34/hr"


I'd do it for half that.


21 posted on 10/01/2006 2:24:53 PM PDT by BLS (It's time to redefine your deiphobic mind.)
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To: carton253
Here's something for that Chile doctor: Notice how illegals ALWAYS head north and never south? I'm sure there are jobs in SOUTH AMERICA too! But no, they know that they can and will get all the freebies they can here and get a taxpayer paid for attorney to assist them with their lawsuits to boot!

I will NEVER, EVER hire a Latino unless they show me their citizenship papers first!! And yes, I'm willing to pay more for house repair services. And oh BTW, I've run into PLENTY of American males who are willing to and will do a great job for a decent price!!

rant off

22 posted on 10/01/2006 2:29:44 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: BLS

I do most of my own landscaping and I'm disabled. What I can't do I pay a neighborhood kid to help.


23 posted on 10/01/2006 2:29:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: World_Events
David C. Streatfield

is an English garden and landscape historian whose work has focused on California and the West Coast. He is the author of California Gardens: Creating a New Eden (1994) and wrote the first scholarly article on Green Gables: Charles Greene’s Masterpiece in Woodside (1911 and 1926-29). David has taught at the University of Washington since 1971, where he is Professor of Landscape Architecture, Urban Design and Planning, and Adjunct Professor of Architecture. He is the Director of the Italian Landscape Studies program, based at the University of Washington Rome Center in the Palazzo Pio, a large Medieval and Baroque palace in the center of Rome

75 Years of Landscape Architecture at Berkeley

24 posted on 10/01/2006 2:30:04 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mtbopfuyn
Jobs American won't do, my aunt fanny. $12/hr? I currently get half that. Where do I sign up?

No sign up needed. -- Find a Home Depot, and join the crowd waiting for jobs.. -- I'd guarantee that if you can speak reasonable english you will be one of the first chosen to work..

25 posted on 10/01/2006 2:30:06 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: World_Events
A house painter pulled up in a pickup, looking for an assistant. He offered $12 an hour. A worker jumped in.

My 17 year old is currently making $7/hour at Foster's Freeze......which is a wage, I'm told, that Americans won't accept.

Does someone with a brain really and truly believe the BS that Americans won't work at this pay level? Goes to show you, the power of media.

26 posted on 10/01/2006 2:36:29 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: World_Events
Shortly after dawn, the day laborers began gathering beneath a San Diego Freeway overpass in West Los Angeles.

Nothing to see here. It's just Caltrans getting ready to pour some cement.

27 posted on 10/01/2006 2:36:45 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: ruination
David Streitfield also wrote the Americans-won't-do-landscaping-even-for-$34/hr article in the LAT in May.

Or, as posted on the original FR thread (from Malkin):

Yesterday, the Los Angeles Times [David Streitfield] ran a piece of open-borders propaganda masquerading as journalism, which featured a Riverside, Calif., landscaper named Cyndi Smallwood who claims she can't find workers to dig ditches even at $34 an hour.

The claim seems preposterous, but the Times assures us that Smallwood has no ideological ax to grind. She is "ambivalent on immigration reform," the Times reports. Just an ordinary landscaper, you know.

But it turns out there's a tiny bit more to the story that the LA Times isn't telling you. Reader Christopher L. wrote this morning to point out that a simple Google search shows that Cyndi Smallwood is president of the Orange County chapter of the California Landscape Contractors Association, and is a member of the association's "Immigration Task Force." The activist group opposes the "Punitive Immigration Reform Bill Proposed by Rep. Sensenbrenner."

(snip)


28 posted on 10/01/2006 2:39:12 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: World_Events
Keep in mind that the Los Angeles Times owns the largest Spanish paper in the United States... La Opinion.

What about that bill for tattooing illegals?

29 posted on 10/01/2006 2:39:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

After a hard two days pressure washing my house (no Illegals, just my own American hands doing the work Americans don't want to do), I NEEDED that laugh! Where can I me some of those????? I NEED them! Its HARD being a conservative in a Liberal state!


30 posted on 10/01/2006 3:07:15 PM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: kittymyrib

Meantime, his significant other, who had one child immediately they crossed the border, is ready to deliver citizen # 2, which will be paid for by taxpayers. Ditto the mother and children's food, meds, education, etc. HUGE net loss for the economy. When the bread winner gets hurt, the little Spanish speaking family of 4 will be totally on the dole, including interpreters paid for by taxpayers.

vaudine


31 posted on 10/01/2006 3:12:42 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: World_Events

Boy is this guy tunnelvisoned.


32 posted on 10/01/2006 3:20:22 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: World_Events

"Illegal" and "essential" don't belong in the same sentence.


33 posted on 10/01/2006 3:21:39 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: gubamyster

Ping!


34 posted on 10/01/2006 3:22:58 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Danae

Los Angeles County has 90,000 heads of households on cash welfare, with a mother and child receiving nearly $700 in cash, $200 in food stamps, paid child care, paid travel expenses to work or training, paid ancillary expenses such as work clothes or boots. Statewide in California, there are just under half a MILLION heads of household on welfare.

San Francisco has 10,000 single adults on cash welfare. Alameda County has 14,000 heads of household on cash welfare, sitting less than 50 miles from the heart of Califonnia'a agricultural heartland.

But the LA Times says we can't get along without illegal workers.


35 posted on 10/01/2006 3:26:40 PM PDT by sdillard
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To: DumpsterDiver
"No one has to fill out paperwork, follow safety regulations or pay taxes. The jobs that flow out of this day-laborer hiring spot slave auction are a pillar of California's cotton-growing Alabama's economic strength. "
36 posted on 10/01/2006 3:32:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (There. Fixed it.)
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To: World_Events

"Illegal-But Essential"

Even a Frenchman can see through that Bravo Sierra:

"The graveyards are full of indispensable men."

-- Charles DeGaulle
Sometimes attributed to Georges Clemenceau.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle


37 posted on 10/01/2006 3:38:10 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Danae
After a hard two days pressure washing my house (no Illegals, just my
own American hands doing the work Americans don't want to do), I NEEDED that laugh!


After about 3 days of prepping a BUNCH of fence for staining,
I needed that laugh as well.

Yep, I probably could get a few of the mini-tsunami of Illegals that floated
into town to do roofing this summer on the cheap.
But I ain't gonna' give them the means to stay and eventually LOG-JAM
the local schools and emergency rooms.
I got enough of that BS while in Los Angeles.
38 posted on 10/01/2006 3:41:46 PM PDT by VOA
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To: proudofthesouth
Rant all you want...cause the Chile Doctor has headed north as well...

Furthermore, you should know that the three men I admire most in order are: 1)Thomas Jonathan Jackson, 2) Robert Edward Lee, and 3) James Ewell Brown Stuart.

I too am proud of the south!

39 posted on 10/01/2006 3:45:26 PM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: World_Events

....a few thoughts:

Yea, that "day without Hispanics" sure ground the California economy to a halt. Not.

"The jobs that flow out of this day-laborer hiring spot — and from thousands of others around the state, some as informal as a street corner — are a pillar of California's economic strength."

Or...a way to fleece the law abiding workers /taxpayers of California....none of the illegal pay gets taxed...thus increasing the tax burden on US taxpayers. How about the US citizen / blue collar worker whohas to compete with these illegls?

""Immigrants buy everything here," Lopez said in Spanish."

Legal immigrants?....or illegals.


40 posted on 10/01/2006 5:17:31 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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