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Could we see the Trans-Texas Corridor by 2013?
Waco Tribune-Herald ^ | September 29, 2006 | Dan Genz

Posted on 09/29/2006 6:32:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Drivers willing to pay to leave Interstate 35 in the dust could have an alternative as early as the summer of 2013.

For 15 cents a mile, drivers could cruise the proposed Trans-Texas Corridor for nearly 100 miles, from Hillsboro to the north Austin suburbs. The rest of the 370-mile corridor could be running in 2017, the report said.

That is according to a new 1,600-page master plan for the tollway, railroad and utility corridor that the firm Cintra-Zachry developed as it prepares to build the controversial project.

The report said the company’s investment will increase by $3.5 billion, construction could begin in five years, and the McLennan County portion could be operational two years later. However, Texas Department of Transportation officials noted its route, timeline and toll estimates are all likely to be revised as the project goes forward.

“(The master plan) does not set the route, it does not set the toll rate, it does not authorize construction,” agency spokesman Randall Dillard said. “It lays out a public-private partnership on how we could develop TTC 35.”

However, the route Cintra-Zachry used demands attention because it differs significantly from the official, preliminary 10-mile-wide area the state reviewed this summer in 54 public hearings.

The builder’s version feeds almost directly into Dallas/Fort Worth, then loops around to the east, while the official route veers east as early as McLennan County and takes a more gradual arc around the Metroplex.

If the route changes to look more like the builder’s option, it could benefit Hillsboro, where the economy is pinned to Interstate 35 traffic.

“I cannot be tempted to wax eloquent about this map and say, ‘They’re listening to us, we’re having an impact,’ ” Hillsboro Mayor Will Lowrance said. “You cannot draw that kind of conclusion from that document, because it has a disclaimer.”

No matter which route is used, the corridor could influence the travel budgets and traffic for Texas vacations and long commutes.

Drivers filling up at the Czech Stop along I-35 in West greeted the proposal as good news for chronic congestion but bad news for their wallets.

“Whoa, that would increase the cost of my trip to Oklahoma by about $40 each way,” said Barbara Meek, 50, of Austin. “I hope other people decide to pay the tolls and I-35 clears up.”

Motorcycle riders Carol Fowler, of Granite Shoals, and Cheryl McClelland, of Mansfield, support the plan to divert traffic from I-35 and improve safety.

“Absolutely. It’ll get people off the interstate,” McClelland said.

Jim Pangman, 70, grew up on the East Coast system of toll roads long before moving to San Antonio and said Texas drivers will make due.

“User fees make sense,” Pangman said. “They’re going to need to do something.”

Willingness to pay

Because passenger vehicles pay 15.2 cents per mile and truck drivers pay 58.5 cents per mile, the whole plan relies on travelers and freight companies being willing to pay the toll, said Dillard, the Texas Department of Transportation spokesman.

“Yes, the public would be willing to pay a reasonable toll, and they would be willing to do that to bypass the congestion on I-35,” he said. “And (Cintra-Zachry) are willing to invest a considerable amount of money based on that.”

When the road opens, the master plan anticipates 24,000 drivers will use the new road between Hillsboro and Temple each day. Daily usage may climb to 148,000 by 2060, even as tolls rise above $1 per mile, the report said.

The building company includes Cintra, a Spanish firm, and Zachry, a Texas outfit. Cintra-Zachry is expected to invest $8.8 billion to construct the road and pay another $1.9 billion to the state for the opportunity to build the project. That costs about $3.5 billion more than the project was expected to run two years ago.

The company then will have the rights to the tolls for 50 years, and by then, the road could be generating billions of dollars each year.

The proposed roadway has been one of Gov. Rick Perry’s signature issues, promising to relieve traffic and meet the exploding demand for freight along a corridor serving four of the state’s six largest cities.

Traffic in most sections of Interstate 35 is already at the maximum capacity, and plans to add another lane outside of Waco over the next few years will not meet that demand, traffic experts have said.

All three prominent gubernatorial challengers have fiercely opposed the project, calling it a boondoggle and a catastrophe.

McLennan County commissioners, the Texas Farm Bureau and others have opposed the plan, saying it will swallow thousands of square miles of prime farmland, divide ranches and cut small towns off from nearby cities.

“Texans didn’t get a chance to vote on this, it’s just getting rammed down our throats,” said Rick Wegwerth, leader of the Waco anti-corridor group, DERAIL.

But Texas Department of Transportation spokeswoman Gabby Garcia said more than 6,000 Texans have weighed in on the proposal already this year, and their suggestions are critical to the review process.

Soliciting more opinion

Ken Roberts, a Texas Department of Transportation spokesman based in Waco, said the agency will solicit more public opinion next year. The current proposed route runs within a 10-mile section of McLennan County, bordering Interstate 35 to the east, and could be wider than a quarter-mile in places.

Due to the long process of buying land for the route, Roberts said he doesn’t think the master plan’s timeline is feasible.

“To say that we’re going to have something operational by 2013 is hardly the case,” Roberts said. “It will not happen overnight.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: attorneygeneral; cintra; cintrazachry; cuespookymusic; gregabbott; lawsuits; masterplan; proprietaryinfo; rail; rickperry; secrets; texas; tollroads; tolls; transtexascorridor; ttc; ttc35; ttc69; tx; txdot; usna; zachry
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To: deport

Sorry. My perspective is from washington state. You have also opened a can of worms regarding the actual allocation of the gas tax dollars that I don't have the time right now to discuss, much as I would like to.


21 posted on 09/29/2006 9:03:02 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 09/29/2006 10:04:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You're welcome. :-)


23 posted on 09/29/2006 10:51:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: zeugma

Next time try reading the article that you are replying to. It is about what was in the previously secret portion that was just released.


24 posted on 09/29/2006 10:56:01 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

I checked the pdf document. These people really are projecting revenues for 2060 based on $1.06/mile for cars and $4.06/mile for trucks based on some tables, but then, based on another table, they're using $0.125/mile for cars and $0.48/mile for trucks. The latter table with the lower rates is used for financial analysis.


25 posted on 09/29/2006 11:10:54 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That $1.06 sounds awfully high, perhaps that is an ending figure based on 54 years of X inflation?

And I have strong doubts that they can start at $.15 per mile for autos, other than in the DFW and Austin areas where there would be a potential for a large number of commuters. The primary funder is probably going to be the trucks, as there are a zillion ways of regs, laws, or incentives that can be used to encourage (require) truck use. Some good, some bad.


26 posted on 09/29/2006 11:15:21 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Next time try reading the article that you are replying to. It is about what was in the previously secret portion that was just released.

I've seen several claims that they've released "everything", yet we have folks suing to get copies of the documents as signed so we can find out what kind of non-compete clauses they've managed to get put into this contract.

27 posted on 09/29/2006 11:20:23 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: zeugma
The Texas Attorney General (Greg Abbott) has dropped his lawsuit as a result of Cintra-Zachry releasing these documents.
28 posted on 09/29/2006 11:25:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: zeugma
You and BobL like to spread the mis-info that I 35 is covered by a non-compete clause. You have not/can not offer anything to back up your assertion.

The the reality is that I35 is outside of the 10 mile buffer zone/non-compete zone.

The reality is that if the state wants to build a project within the buffer zone that is detrimental to Cintra, the state can build a project within the buffer zone that benefits Cintra and use it as an offset

29 posted on 09/29/2006 1:32:36 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“You cannot draw that kind of conclusion from that document, because it has a disclaimer.”


"We reserve the right to screw you by raising the cost and taking more of your land" "Your Governor said We could"
30 posted on 09/29/2006 1:36:46 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

The 183-A toll road is 11 miles long and will cost $2 and only 4.5 miles are being tolled to start with. That's quite a bit more than 15 cents. It's being built by Zachery.


All these estimates are just that, estimates (for suckers)


31 posted on 09/29/2006 1:49:23 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: wolfcreek

"All these estimates are just that, estimates (for suckers)"

TOTALLY. There's nothing binding about 15 cents per mile. The only thing that counts is the contract wording. Yes, some people on this thread may think of Spaniards as dumb (you know whats), but I don't. I think that they're very shrewd businessmen that know how to roll a corrupt governor.

So Texas pays through the teeth, for the next 60 years or so - long after Perry buys his yacht.


32 posted on 09/29/2006 7:23:46 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Ben Ficklin

LINK PLEASE!!

10 mile buffer - where stated!!


33 posted on 09/29/2006 7:26:20 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The TCC will never be built. And damn sure won't be up and running by 13. They'll never work through the courts in time to do it.


34 posted on 09/29/2006 7:29:13 PM PDT by DaGman
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To: BobL
Before we do that, we must tie you up to the whipping post, metaphorically speaking, of course.

You are the one who asserts that there is a non-compete clause that would prevent any work on I35. You are the one who must back that up. Give me a link to prove that or quit lying about it.

35 posted on 09/30/2006 1:11:53 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
"You are the one who asserts that there is a non-compete clause that would prevent any work on I35. You are the one who must back that up."

You're the one defending the SECRET contract and trying to make people thinking that, somehow, there ISN'T a non-compete clause - which would be a first for a private highway.

You keep trying to make it about me, but I haven't filed the lawsuits. You need to produce the contract in a way that satisfies not me, but the people who have filed OPEN RECORDS LAWSUITS (Attorney General, Media,Landowners), or explain to the readers out here why Cintra would ever do anything as STUPID as sign a contract WITHOUT a non-compete clause, when the next governor could come into power, maliciously widen I-35 to a 10-lane FREEWAY and sink Cinta and 7 to 9 Billion dollars of their investor money (particularly after Cintra sets their tolls at MONOPOLY RATES). Not to mention that you seem to have no problem with Dan Shelley's antics.

You seem to want us all to believe that Cintra is some kind of Don Juan coming into Texas on a white horse to save us all from having to pay the gas tax. Maybe in your dreams, but they sure as heck didn't do that in Ontario - yet the politicians (and yes, their supporters) LIED about Cintras intentions and what was signed - and you know that.

Obviously I'm no longer trying to convince you of anything (heck, given your trust in Cintra, you're probably paying three quarters of your income on child support - just kidding) - I just want others on this thread to look at both of our arguments and judge for themselves.
36 posted on 09/30/2006 4:37:10 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

This thread is dead. For the sake of "dramatic effect", I'll bide my time.


37 posted on 10/01/2006 5:10:43 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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