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New Study Shows Pro-Choicers More Likely to Spread Violence
Agape Press ^ | 09.28.06 | Bill Fancher

Posted on 09/28/2006 4:10:46 PM PDT by Coleus

A new research project is raising serious doubt about claims from abortion supporters who say pro-lifers are violent people. The study suggests that, despite their assertions to the contrary, pro-choicers may be the more frequent perpetrators of violence.

Throughout the abortion debate in America, pro-abortion activists have accused pro-lifers of spreading violence; however, Human Life International's senior analyst, Brian Clowes, has just completed a project that suggests the complete opposite is the case. "Seven murders are carried out by so called pro-life people in the time period 1993 to 1998," he notes, "and yet we've documented over 500 murders done by people who are pro-choice."

Clowes documented those murders by pro-choicers in three categories: actual murders by abortionists and pro-choice advocates; men who killed their pregnant girlfriends and wives who refused to abort their babies; and other individuals who killed women because they were pregnant.

"For every single instance of so-called 'pro-life extreme violence' -- which is murder, attempted murder, kidnapping and arson -- we have 80 instances of pro-choice extreme violence," the researcher says. Meanwhile, he points out, "We have a lot of news media that's directed entirely towards talking about how pro-life people are supposed to be so violent, and the pro-choicers are all mild-mannered, nice people."

In other words, Clowes explains, "what we have here is a kind of imbalance" between the truth and the common perception. "And I'd like to try to balance this out, showing that the abortion culture is really violent in all of its aspects," he says. The details of Clowes research project have been made available online. The report can be seen on the website ProChoiceViolence.com.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; brianclowes; dems; hli; liberals; libs; prolife; violence; violencebydemocrats
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To: HeartOfDixie56
That's a good question, but I think it depends on what the meaning of "pro-choice" is. (NOT trying to imitate the former president's spin, I mean that.)

We know about Scott and Laci Peterson. There's also Mark Hacking (Utah, 2004), Stephen Poaches (PA, 2005), Tavious Hooks (NY, 2006), and former football player Rae Carruth. Were they pro-choice political activists before their wives/girlfriends refused to abort the children they carried? Perhaps not, but I suspect if you had asked their position on abortion, they would have said "pro-choice." For each man (and many like them), the problem started when the woman CHOSE to keep the child.

Because she wanted to keep the child and he didn't and he knew of no other remedy to the problem, he killed her.

IMO, whether the men are pro-choice activists or not, if they perceive abortion as a simple solution to an untimely/unwanted pregnancy and their wife/girlfriend won't abort, then her murder by him should be associated with the "pro-choice" position.

21 posted on 09/28/2006 4:50:24 PM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Zetman

Heck, look at how peaceful their 'peace rallies' are.


22 posted on 09/28/2006 5:18:43 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Coleus

"Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants."
---Mother Teresa


23 posted on 09/28/2006 5:32:47 PM PDT by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: Coleus
Funny... I was telling my adult son last night that "most" criminals are democrats.

At first he wasn't buying it. Then as we debated it; more crimes in large cities - demographics - heavy Democrat, he finally agreed but insisted it was not because they were democrats. My response was that it was the other way around.
24 posted on 09/28/2006 6:19:57 PM PDT by babygene
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To: laweeks
"Pro-Abort" sounds just about right, doncha' think?"

The opposite of "Pro-Life" would be "Pro-Death". I've found that it really upsets them...
25 posted on 09/28/2006 6:23:21 PM PDT by babygene
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To: HeartOfDixie56

That's a rational question, and one that came to mind as I read the article.

It's a strech to throw the boyfriends etc. into the 'supports abortion' movement.


26 posted on 09/28/2006 6:29:14 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: HeartOfDixie56

Haven't looked at the details, but from first whiff it smells of utterly-awful bad research.


27 posted on 09/28/2006 7:03:40 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: muawiyah

Well, I dont even believe the pro-choicers who support abortion would remotely consider themselves in that group of murderers. We might think of removing a viable fetus as murder, but they don't see it that way and debate when humans actually gain conciousness/awareness/self-sustaining. At least that's what I've read, it still sounds very cold & callous, but I think I even get the distinction of where they're coming from. I still don't think we'd get very far in an argument using this study.

But I have a few more posts to catch up on.. maybe later the light bulb will turn on!


28 posted on 09/28/2006 9:30:22 PM PDT by HeartOfDixie56 (Roll, Tide, Roll... (please?))
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To: Prov3456

Ah, and but the idea is it's a WOMANs choice that I hear the ProChoicers say. Men who take a womans life is not giving her the choice so in essence he's not pro-choice, he's violent prone. It seems this study damns men much more than just 'pro-choicers' who must have power over women! Oh goodness, I sure didn't mean to open that can of worms!!!


29 posted on 09/28/2006 9:33:09 PM PDT by HeartOfDixie56 (Roll, Tide, Roll... (please?))
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To: HeartOfDixie56
Why question a scientific study? /s

We all know that Super bowl Sunday is also the day which has the most domestic violence against women.
30 posted on 09/28/2006 9:42:10 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: dgallo51

I have been looking for that quote for a long time. Thanks!!!!


31 posted on 09/28/2006 11:00:33 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HeartOfDixie56
They all believe that the death of the innocent is a solution to their problems ~ and the worst of them believe that pathway to be the solution to other people's problems.

I fail to see much difference in the pro-choice crowd.

32 posted on 09/29/2006 2:57:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Coleus
It is a credit to the Pro Life Movement that of all the murders that have taken place in America over the last 40 years (50,000 X 40) that only seven have been committed by people that are pro life.
33 posted on 09/29/2006 3:03:55 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Salvation

When it comes to our estemed ruling elite…I got a million of them:-)


34 posted on 09/29/2006 6:17:38 AM PDT by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...
Turns Out Sky Is Blue, Part I. :-)

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

35 posted on 09/29/2006 9:53:23 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (People who say there are jobs Americans won't do have never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Coleus
New Study Shows Pro-Choicers More Likely to Spread Violence
What can possibly be more violent that slipping an egg beater in the womb and chewing a baby to pulp, then washing him/her down the drain?
36 posted on 09/29/2006 9:56:55 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: HeartOfDixie56

Some drunken scumbag kills his Ho and he becomes Pro-Choice? LoL


37 posted on 09/29/2006 9:58:58 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"Turns Out Sky Is Blue"

It would be funny if it were not so true.

38 posted on 09/29/2006 10:00:14 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...
Please note: Pinging you to this is not an endorsement of their study methodology, which I'm still looking into.

ProLife Ping!

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39 posted on 09/29/2006 10:04:42 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (People who say there are jobs Americans won't do have never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Coleus
Pro-life and pro-choice are NOT opposites.

Pro-life and pro-Abortion are opposites.

40 posted on 09/29/2006 10:08:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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