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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thursday 09-28-2006
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 09-28-2006

Posted on 09/28/2006 8:54:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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House passes detainee bill

Republicans pushed a bill supported by President George W. Bush to set rules for interrogating and trying terrorism suspects through the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday and Senate Republicans were expected to follow within a day.

The House passed the bill 253-168 largely along party lines, dismissing warnings from Democrats that courts would strike down the plan for failing to meet judicial standards.

Republicans who control both chambers want to send the bill to Bush by the weekend, when lawmakers head out to campaign for November elections that will determine control of Congress.

The bill sets up procedures to try foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Supreme Court struck down Bush's original plan, saying it violated U.S. and international standards.

As Senate debate on the bill got under way, Republicans defeated an attempt to pass an alternative that Democrats said would meet Supreme Court standards and help restore America's image, damaged by harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

The Senate was expected to pass the bill on Thursday, after considering several other amendments.

Republicans, seeking to polish their terrorism-fighting credentials in the final days of their campaigns, depicted the new rules as tough but fair.

"By formally establishing terrorist tribunals, the bill provides a critical tool in fighting the war on terror and it provides a measure of justice to the victims of 9/11," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, said the bill provides "basic fairness in our prosecutions but we also preserve the ability of our war fighters to operate effectively on the battlefield."

But Human rights groups and many Democrats said the deal gave Bush too much latitude to allow harsh interrogations and to deprive detainees of legal rights.

Rep. Ellen Tauscher, a California Democrat, said agreeing to "such an ambiguous compromise would allow the president to define torture when and how he sees fit."

Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, said the bill sends a signal that "America's leaders are willing to abandon our values ... in favor of thuggish tactics they hope might make them safer for a little while."

Democrats also predicted the courts would find the bill unconstitutional because it deprived detainees held without charges of the right to file legal challenges to their imprisonment.

Under a compromise worked out last week, the CIA will be able to continue aggressive interrogations, but supporters of the bill said agency interrogators would comply with the Geneva Conventions' requirement for humane treatment.

The bill also expands the definition of "enemy combatants," who can be held indefinitely without charges, to include those who knowingly support terrorist groups with arms, money and other activities.

Backers of the bill said that provision would choke off supplies to terrorist groups, but critics said it was too broad and could subject many more people to indefinite detention.


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To: Clint N. Suhks
We're still 2.59 - 2.69

We're victims! Who can we sue? Let's sue Barbara Boxer--she's heavily invested in oil and petroleum.

461 posted on 09/28/2006 11:28:22 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: All
RUSH: "Where are they coming from?"


462 posted on 09/28/2006 11:28:28 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: American Quilter

I'm just a font of misinformation, innuendo, rumor and half truths!

};^P


463 posted on 09/28/2006 11:29:15 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. [Stolen from FReeper Stallone])
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To: RasterMaster

BINGO!


464 posted on 09/28/2006 11:29:24 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (STEVE KING /JOHN BOLTON FOR '08...Ann picks King...I pick Bolton!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Ah well. Maybe Byrd will lose. I wish more WV voters would vote based on the fact that the modern liberal Democrat party stopped representing their conservative social and fiscal values about 20 years ago. Frustrating. y'all gotta work on that. :)


465 posted on 09/28/2006 11:29:30 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Liberty must be defended, so the children of those who fell, can understand its value. Never forget.)
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To: American Quilter

Gasoline Tax Rate

Gasoline Tax Rate per Gallon, 2003

State Tax Additional Taxes Total Tax Rank State Tax Additional Taxes Total Tax Rank

Alabama 16.00 2.00 18.00 36 Nebraska 24.60 0.90 25.50 6
Alaska 8.00 8.00 49 Nevada 24.00 24.00 10
Arizona 18.00 18.00 37 New Hampshire 18.00 1.50 19.50 32
Arkansas 21.50 21.50 22 New Jersey 10.50 4.00 14.50 46
California 18.00 18.00 38 New Mexico 17.00 1.90 18.90 34
Colorado 22.00 22.00 18 New York 8.00 14.6 22.60 17
Connecticut 25.00 25.00 8 North Carolina 23.40 0.25 23.65 12
Delaware 23.00 23.00 14 North Dakota 21.00 21.00 25
Florida 4.00 10.10 14.10 47 Ohio 22.00 22.00 20
Georgia 7.50 7.50 50 Oklahoma 16.00 1.00 17.00 41
Hawaii 16.00 16.00 43 Oregon 24.00 24.00 11
Idaho 25.00 1.00 26.00 4 Pennsylvania 12.00 13.90 25.90 5
Illinois 19.00 0.80 19.80 31 Rhode Island 30.00 1.00 31.00 1
Indiana 15.00 15.00 45 South Carolina 16.00 16.00 44
Iowa 20.10 20.10 26 South Dakota 22.00 22.00 21
Kansas 23.00 23.00 15 Tennessee 20.00 1.40 21.40 23
Kentucky 15.00 1.40 16.40 42 Texas 20.00 20.00 29
Louisiana 20.00 20.00 27 Utah 24.50 24.50 9
Maine 22.00 22.00 19 Vermont 19.00 1.00 20.00 30
Maryland 23.50 23.50 13 Virginia 17.50 17.50 39
Massachusetts 21.00 21.00 24 W. Virginia 23.00 23.00 16
Michigan 19.00 19.00 33 Washington 20.50 4.85 25.35 7
Minnesota 20.00 20.00 28 Wisconsin 28.10 28.10 2
Mississippi 18.00 0.40 18.40 35 Wyoming 13.00 1.00 14.00 48
Missouri 17.00 0.03 17.03 40 District of Columbia 20.00 20.00
Montana 27.00 27.00 3

Tax rates do not include local option taxes. In AL, 1 - 3 cents; HI, 8 to 11.5 cent; IL, 5 cents in Chicago and 6 cents in Cook county (gasoline only); NV, 1.75 to 7.75 cents; OR, 1 to 3 cents; SD and TN, one cent; and VA 2%.
Local taxes for gasoline and gasohol vary from 5.5 cents to 17 cents (average is 13.4¢). Plus a 2.07 cent per gallon pollution tax.
Carriers pay an additional surcharge equal to AZ-8 cents, IL-6.3 cents (g) 6.0 cents (d), IN-11 cents, KY-2% (g) 4.7% (d).
Tax rate is based on the average wholesale price and is adjusted quarterly. The actual rates are: KY, 9%; and NC, 17.5¢ + 7%.
Portion of the rate is adjustable based on maintenance costs, sales volume, or cost of fuel to state government.
Large trucks pay an additional 3.5 cents.
Tax rate is reduced by the percentage of ethanol used in blending (reported rate assumes the max. 10% ethanol).
Effective July 1, 2003, rate increase in KS, 24 cents (gasoline/gasohol), 26 cents (d); NM, decreases to 16 cents (gasoline/gasohol).


466 posted on 09/28/2006 11:29:46 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

a news bender is my alludin' to killing the drive by media
with STRAIGHT facts.....lol


467 posted on 09/28/2006 11:30:27 AM PDT by advertising guy
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To: American Quilter; Roccus

See, Roccus...your on the ball...people trust you...you're good enough...you're smart enough...and people like you...Sorry, I couldn't stop myself from using that reference.


468 posted on 09/28/2006 11:31:30 AM PDT by aligncare (Republicans think democrats are wrong; democrats think republicans are evil.)
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To: American Quilter
Maryland is not the highest in the country so I don't know why ours is so high.

It must county and or local tax.


469 posted on 09/28/2006 11:32:19 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: MaestroLC

I'm all for eating healthy and encouraging that, even if the government encourages it, but really, fines and that seems a bit much. I've been able to eat healthy and keep at my ideal weight and keep my cholesterol down for many years now, over 9 since I cleaned up my diet, and that was before all this stuff forcing this and that. Good choices are out there, people just have to CHOOSE to make them. Abortion is the only choice liberals are willing to give anyone. When it comes to anything else, liberals want people to do what they're told.


470 posted on 09/28/2006 11:32:35 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Liberty must be defended, so the children of those who fell, can understand its value. Never forget.)
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To: aligncare

471 posted on 09/28/2006 11:32:46 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: American Quilter

Hi AQ
I paid $2.33 this morning and did a happy dance!


472 posted on 09/28/2006 11:33:54 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: angcat

Wow, is this caller a Freeper?


473 posted on 09/28/2006 11:34:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I KNEW it! I AM a victim! And that uneven stretch on Academy Blvd still gives my shocks a workout every day. I want my money back!!!


474 posted on 09/28/2006 11:35:14 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

In WV, gas tax is computed by some convoluted formula obased the price from Sept. to Dec, I believe. Last year, because of the severe spike after the hurricanes, the tax re-computation was suspended. It will come back in this year and with gas going down, may very well mean a reduced tax next year.


475 posted on 09/28/2006 11:35:59 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. [Stolen from FReeper Stallone])
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To: bwteim
Yeah Rush sure got that right. The economy is screaming along so well now, and gas is cheaper per gallon then milk again, so they're not an issue anymore because both are so much better now that it can't be lied about, so they're not election issues anymore, so say the liberals. :)

And now that the DOW peeked over the all time high from over six years ago, befoe 9-11, and today is the new record high EVER for the DOW, you won't be able to pay the Democrats to talk about the Stock Market. The news will have to mention it, and that will be amusing watching the networks have to admit that the DOW temporarily hit a new high, and closed up 16 or so points. :)

476 posted on 09/28/2006 11:35:59 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Liberty must be defended, so the children of those who fell, can understand its value. Never forget.)
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To: aligncare; Roccus

I agree with aligncare, Roccus--you're great!


477 posted on 09/28/2006 11:36:49 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: advertising guy

LOL! Ok, I thought it might have been a British term. Our cousins across the pond have quite a few interesting slang phrases!


478 posted on 09/28/2006 11:37:26 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Islam is the Death Cult of Perpetual Outrage!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

I am not sure about that amount. In the 1980's, most Iowa gas stations had a blurb about how much of the price per gallon was taxes. I remember it posted that is was 65.1 cents per gallon.


479 posted on 09/28/2006 11:37:31 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Proud member of the radical Christian movement since January 22, 1984!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Motor Fuel Excise Tax Rates

January 1, 2006


Note: The tax rates listed are fuel excise taxes collected by distributor/supplier/retailers in each state. Additional taxes may apply to motor carriers. Carrier taxes are coordinate by IFTA.


----Gasoline----

----Diesel Fuel----

----Gasohol----

Excise

Add'l

Total

Excise

Add'l

Total

Excise

Add'l

Total

State

Tax

Tax

Tax

Tax

Tax

Tax

Tax

Tax

Tax

Notes

Alabama /1
16.0
2.0 18.0  
19.0
  19.0  
16.0
2.0 18.0 Inspection fee
Alaska
8.0
  8.0  
8.0
  8.0  
0.0
  0.0  
Arizona
18.0
  18.0  
18.0
  18.0  
18.0
  18.0 /3
Arkansas
21.5
  21.5  
22.5
  22.5  
21.5
  21.5  
California
18.0
  18.0  
18.0
  18.0  
18.0
  18.0 Sales tax applicable
Colorado
22.0
  22.0  
20.5
  20.5  
22.0
  22.0  
Connecticut
25.0
  25.0  
26.0
  26.0  
25.0
 

25.0

 
Delaware
23.0
  23.0  
22.0
  22.0  
23.0
  23.0 Plus 0.5% GRT /5
Florida /2
4.0
10.9 14.9  
16.8
10.9 27.7  
4.0
10.9 14.9 Sales tax added to excise /2
Georgia
7.5
7.8 15.3  
7.5
9.0 16.5  
7.5
7.8 15.3 Sales tax added to excise
Hawaii /1
16.0
  16.0  
16.0
  16.0  
16.0
  16.0 Sales tax applicable
Idaho
25.0
  25.0  
25.0
  25.0  
22.5
  22.5 /7
Illinois /1
19.0
1.1 20.1  
21.5
1.1  22.6  
19.0
1.1  20.1 Sales tax add., env. & LUST fee /3
Indiana
18.0
  18.0  
16.0
  16.0  
18.0
  18.0 Sales tax applicable /3
Iowa
20.7
  20.7  
22.5
  22.5  
19.0
  19.0  
Kansas
24.0
  24.0  
26.0
  26.0  
24.0
  24.0  
Kentucky
17.1
1.4 18.5  
14.1
1.4 15.5  
17.1
1.4 18.5 Environmental fee /4 /3
Louisiana
20.0
  20.0  
20.0
  20.0  
20.0
  20.0  
Maine
25.9
  25.9  
27.0
  27.0  
25.9
  25.9  /5
Maryland
23.5
  23.5  
24.25
  24.25  
23.5
  23.5  
Massachusetts
21.0
  21.0  
21.0
  21.0  
21.0
  21.0  
Michigan
19.0
  19.0  
15.0
  15.0  
19.0
  19.0 Sales tax applicable
Minnesota
20.0
  20.0  
20.0
  20.0  
20.0
  20.0  
Mississippi
18.0
0.4 18.4  
18.0
0.4 18.4  
18.0
0.4 18.4 Environmental fee
Missouri
17.0
0.55 17.55  
17.0
0.55 17.55  
17.0
0.55 17.55 Inspection fee
Montana
27.0
  27.0  
27.75
  27.75  
27.0
  27.0  
Nebraska
26.1
0.9 27.0  
26.1
0.9 27.0  
26.1
0.9 27.0 Petroleum fee /5
Nevada /1
24.0
0.805 24.805  
27.0
0.75 27.75  
24.0
0.805 24.805 Inspection & cleanup fee
New Hampshire
18.0
1.625 19.625  
18.0
1.625 19.625  
18.0
1.625 19.625 Oil discharge cleanup fee
New Jersey
10.5
4.0 14.50  
13.5
4.0 17.50  
10.5
4.0 14.50 Petroleum fee
New Mexico
17.0
1.9 18.9  
21.0
1.9 22.9  
17.0
1.9 18.9 Petroleum loading fee
New York
8.0
15.9  23.9  
8.0
14.15  22.15  
8.0
15.9  23.9

Sales tax applicable, Petrol. Tax

North Carolina
29.9
0.25 30.15  
26.9
0.25 30.15  
26.9
0.25 30.15 /4 Inspection tax
North Dakota
23.0
  23.0  
23.0
  23.0  
23.0
  23.0  
Ohio
28.0
  28.0  
28.0
  28.0  
28.0
  28.0 Plus 3 cents commerical
Oklahoma
16.0
1.0 17.0  
13.0
1.0 14.0  
16.0
1.0 17.0 Environmental fee
Oregon /1
24.0
  24.0  
24.0
  24.0  
24.0
  24.0  
Pennsylvania
12.0
19.2 31.2  
12.0
26.1 38.1  
12.0
19.2 31.2 Oil franchise tax
Rhode Island
30.0
1 31.0  
30.0
1 31.0  
30.0
1 31.0 LUST tax
South Carolina
16.0
  16.0  
16.0
  16.0  
16.0
  16.0  
South Dakota /1
22.0
  22.0  
22.0
  22.0  
20.0
  20.0  
Tennessee /1
20.0
1.4 21.4  
17.0
1.4 18.4  
20.0
1.4 21.4 Petroleum Tax & Envir. Fee
Texas
20.0
  20.0  
20.0
  20.0  
20.0
  20.0  
Utah
24.5
  24.5  
24.5
  24.5  
24.5
  24.5  
Vermont
19.0
1.0 20.0  
25.0
1.0 26.0  
19.0
1.0 20.0 Petroleum cleanup fee
Virginia /1
17.5
  17.5  
16.0
  16.0  
17.5
  17.5 /6
Washington /8
31.0
  31.0  
31.0
  31.0  
31.0
  31.0 0.5% privilege tax
West Virginia
20.5
6.5 27.0  
20.5
6.2 27.0  
20.5
6.5 27.0 Sales tax added to excise
Wisconsin
29.9
3.0 32.9  
29.9
3.0 32.9  
29.9
3.0 32.9 /5 Petroleum Inspection fee
Wyoming
13.0
1 14.0  
13.0
1 14.0  
13.0
1 14.0 License tax
         
 
             
Dist. of Columbia
22.5
  22.5  
22.5
  22.5  
22.5
  22.5  
Federal
18.3
0.1 18.4  
24.3
0.1 24.4  
13.0
0.1 13.1 /7 LUST tax


SOURCE: Compiled by FTA from various sources.
480 posted on 09/28/2006 11:37:54 AM PDT by hattend (Anytime you see a union building, think of it as a branch office of the Democratic Party. - Rush)
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