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Californians -- The GOP's Real Migrant Problem
LA Times ^ | 9/25/06 | Ryan Sager

Posted on 09/25/2006 11:12:34 AM PDT by qam1

IF BLUE-STATE Californians want to give the national Republican Party palpitations, here's some practical advice: Go east, young man (or woman).

Just not too far east.

In fact, you might try right next door. Any one of the eight red to purple states of the nation's interior West — Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah or Wyoming — would do just fine.

Although California's 55 electoral votes have proved impotent to thwart the rise of a big-government-loving, big-religion-thumping GOP, the California diaspora into some of our nation's least populous states is looking like it just might do the trick.

The GOP has tilted too far toward its Southern wing, preoccupied as it is with religion, tradition and morality, and away from its Western wing, which is more concerned with freedom, independence and privacy.

The result is a party that has all but abandoned socially liberal but fiscally conservative voters, leaving it increasingly vulnerable in states where libertarian-leaning voters are a presence. If you take the 2004 presidential election results in three of the Four Corners states (Colorado, where President Bush won by 5 percentage points; Nevada, where he won by 3; and New Mexico, by 1), a total of fewer than 70,000 votes would have swung 19 electoral votes and the election to John Kerry.

And it is former Californians who may end up being the force that brings the GOP's whole Mountain West advantage tumbling down.

Three demographic trends are converging to turn our red mountains purple. First, there's the growing Latino population throughout the West. True, Bush has done OK with these voters, getting about 40% nationwide in 2004. But the GOP is in the midst of an anti-immigrant conniption, and Latino voters still identify with the Democratic Party by a margin of roughly three to......

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: locustliberals; rinos

1 posted on 09/25/2006 11:12:34 AM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1

The cancer of liberalism metastasizes....


2 posted on 09/25/2006 11:15:48 AM PDT by TortReformer
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To: qam1
If you take the 2004 presidential election results in three of the Four Corners states (Colorado, where President Bush won by 5 percentage points; Nevada, where he won by 3; and New Mexico, by 1)...

Funny, I had always thought the Four Corners were Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Kansas.

The writer must be a public school graduate...

3 posted on 09/25/2006 11:20:42 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: JRios1968

Oops, I meant Utah, not Kansas...


4 posted on 09/25/2006 11:21:18 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: qam1

The problem with the Author's premise is those that are feed up with high taxes and government intervention and house prices that are in the stratosphere are more conservative. That is why they are leaving. The red States will stay red.


5 posted on 09/25/2006 11:24:47 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: qam1

LA TIMES ..


6 posted on 09/25/2006 11:57:46 AM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: qam1
If wishing the GOP away was a successful plan, the GOP would have disappeared long ago.
7 posted on 09/25/2006 12:10:54 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: cpdiii

The author's got a good point, though. Regardless of why those folks leave California, there's no denying that nearly every western U.s. city that has hosted a large number of re-located Californians in recent decades has turned into a sh!t-hole soon thereafter. I'll use Seattle and Phoenix as two prime examples, with Las Vegas and Denver following close on their heels.


8 posted on 09/25/2006 12:17:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: TortReformer

Liberals migrating to the upper New England area from NYC have turned all but NH into liberal states. Why can't conservatives do this? Pick some small states, move there and take over.


9 posted on 09/25/2006 12:33:54 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

We don't have the population required.


10 posted on 09/25/2006 12:38:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Alberta's Child
....Las Vegas and Denver following close on their heels.

Denver has always been a liberal armpit in a conservative state. Years ago, people commented on the fact that Colorado was by-and-large quite conservative, like neighboring Wyoming and Utah (think Kent Hance, Jake Garn); but there was a liberal cabal in Denver that managed to take over the media, metastasizing from the Denver Post in particular.

So Colorado is a conservative state that has been dominated by a liberal political conspiracy for 30 or 40 years.

But the California liberals had better mind their lip -- if it gets ugly out there, we might decide not to show up with federal troops until after the Mexicans have killed all the white liberals.

11 posted on 09/25/2006 1:03:55 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: rwfromkansas
sure we do (have the population to do it)- Bush won the popular vote in 2004 as well.

The thing is that the red tide is happy where they are. Who wants to sell their few acres of peace and calm for a slum lord apartment manager in a crumbling overcrowded city?
12 posted on 09/25/2006 1:07:24 PM PDT by RC51
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
"Why can't conservatives do this? Pick some small states, move there and take over."

The Libertarians tried to do this but they ended up choosing a stupid state to try it in (New Hampshire) rather than a smaller population state such as North Dakota.

I guess they needed a sufficient density of Starbucks in order to survive in their rugged individualistic ways!

13 posted on 09/25/2006 1:11:12 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: cpdiii
"The red States will stay red."

The problem with red state conservatives is that they tend to be ostriches. So long as they are allowed to do whatever they want on their property they are OK.

Meanwhile thousands of namby-pamby nanny-staters move in and enact a bunch of covenants and regulations limiting behavior and increasing taxes.

Now the ostriches finally lift their heads out of their holes just in time to have their necks cut.

This is what happened in Colorado. RIP.

14 posted on 09/25/2006 1:13:50 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: qam1

I'd like to see some data to back up the author's contention. He evidently is taking it on faith that because there's a diaspora from a blue state that the people leaving are blue. I'd be more inclined to think that they're red, since blue people ought to just love love love California and its unbelievably left-wing legislature. Why would they want to leave paradise to move to a red-neck, knuckle-draggin', gun-totin' dystopia (from their point of view, anyway)?


15 posted on 09/25/2006 1:14:35 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I guess you would need to find a state people would find attractive. I don't know if I would consider North Dakota. I have thought that on the East Coast, Delaware would be a possibility?


16 posted on 09/25/2006 1:40:38 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: qam1
The GOP has tilted too far toward its Southern wing, preoccupied as it is with religion, tradition and morality, and away from its Western wing, which is more concerned with freedom, independence and privacy.

Stopped reading there. The liberal GOP cancer that has spread through California doesn't give one crap about freedom, independence or privacy.

hese liberals with an 'R' by their name are just as bad as the Democrats who seek to annihilate the Second Amendment rights of all law-abiding citizens, insist that they must be dependent on the state for everything, and offer no privacy to anyone but illegal aliens who break our laws and suck off the taxpayer's teat.

17 posted on 09/25/2006 2:39:29 PM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
"Why can't conservatives do this? Pick some small states, move there and take over."

Some are trying:

http://www.freestatewyoming.org/

18 posted on 09/25/2006 3:56:04 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: qam1

"Republicans continue to fantasize about winning the Hispanic vote. But Republicans have never won the Hispanic vote in a presidential election. Even in his forty-nine state landslide, Reagan, despite his charisma and cowboy image, a bland opponent, and a booming economy, won only 44 per cent. That was a generation ago. In every presidential election since 1984, Hispanics have voted Democratic by anywhere from 60 percent to 75 percent. The more Hispanic America becomes, the more Democratic America becomes."
"State of Emergency" Chapter 5, p. 59 `Suicide of the GOP'
Patrick J. Buchanan

So here's the way I see it Boss. The Chamber is busting our chops for more cheap labor, and these people should be so grateful to us that they'll vote for your successor. I mean, we are the party of big government now, right Dubya?

Not now Turdblossom. I'm on the phone with Vincente . . . .


19 posted on 09/25/2006 4:41:44 PM PDT by OkieDoke ("Rove, you magnificent b******! You did it--you killed the GOP!")
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To: cpdiii
Libs seek a better quality of life too. The problem is they bring along with them the mindset that messed up the states they left behind.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

20 posted on 09/25/2006 5:51:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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