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Honorable Mention Awards for 9-24-06

Earlier this week MNJohnnie posted a comment to those of us who rotate doing the "awards" for the Sunday thread. A quick note for those who don't know my approach to these awards: I view them primarily as a way to highlight posts and posters that folks should make sure to read. This thread moves so fast that I know I often miss lots of posts and that means I am probably also missing some really good posts. The process I go through is to try to first identify posts that are "notable or quotable." Notable posts will tend to either have some significant insight on a topic (even if it's not directly being discussed on the shows) or a fact or (better yet) a link to documentation that will prove, disprove or simply further our understanding of what's been said. Quotable posts are just that, funny, profound, or simply well phrased posts that are worth remembering and to be "whipped out" at need. OK, back to MNJ's post the other day:

My sincere condolences for whom ever is the Top Ten judge this week!

Billy Clinton everywhere? Oh the horror! Oh the Humanity! Did we not just outlaw torture? Put this one on endless repeat loop and force the terrorists to watch it 24/7 until they crack!

Quick witted devil that I am I responded thusly (mostly because I knew I wasn't scheduled for this week):

Rod is listed in the last schedule, but he sent a note that he was being called out of town. He didn't indicate if he would still do it or if he needed someone to cover.

However, I think that whoever does the duty tomorrow will only have a problem with volume and too many great posts. After all, it will be a "target rich environment."

Well, guess what? Rodguy911 was fighting some issues that made it difficult for him to cover this week. So as things worked out I ended up doing the honors. I learned that having a "target rich environment" is truly not always an easy thing to deal with.

As stated my approach is to pull "notable or quotable" posts in whole or in part into a subset of the thread. I then cull through those posts to try to come up with the top 10, more as a fun exercise than as any kind of contest. Remember, my purpose is to provide pointers for people to things they might have missed. Providing some hierarchy to that can help and it can add a bit of fun to the process. Make no mistake, every post on this thread is worthy of an award. Alas Babylon! and I have been using the phrase The Jedi Council back and forth for some time now. The group that participates here are truly masters of gathering, analyzing and communicating relevant information to an amazing extent. Well, with this target rich environment (over 1,297 posts as I type this on Monday afternoon) I chose only (!) 193 posts to highlight. That could easily have been closer to 1,000 posts (the ones about ED Hill didn't add to the conversation, so sue me!).

So, where do I go from there? My prejudices lead me to prefer posts with factual information on a topic being discussed, particularly with references and, best of all, with links. That doesn't make that right or wrong, it's just my prejudices. After that I look for posts that "move the discussion forward." What I mean by that is I want to see posts that provide insight, not just argument. I get plenty of argument from my kids <g>. I prefer enlightenment, even if it contradicts something I think is so. And I don't have to accept the point being made. I hope I'm honest enough to highlight posts that make a point well, even if I don't agree with it. Finally, I value the posts that provide running commentary on what is actually being said on the shows. There's no way to watch all of the shows (and in some cases no desire) and these posts make that unnecessary in many cases. I also value funny posts, but I tend to use those mostly as tie breakers.

Once I've weighed the posts that I think excel, given my prejudices above, I pull those out of the original list and set them aside until I come up with a list of 10 posters that I will then try to rank from 10 to 1 for the "awards." In the meantime, however, I don't want to discard the other posts that I pulled out of the thread. The primary reason, going back to my desire to provide signposts for things we may have missed, is that the ranking process I do only reflects my prejudices and that doesn't in any way lessen the merit of pointing people to the remaining posts. After all, I have been known to make mistakes (see my tag line).

Therefore, allow me to present to you a list of posters and posts, in alphabetical order by screen name, that I refer to as the honorable mention list. Again, these reflect my own point of view, but I hope it will prove valuable. I know I got a lot out of these posts and from these posters. The top ten will come a little later.

A.Hun

#647; "I watched (the Clinton interview) a little while ago. Clinton lost it! He was really angry about the Somalia charge, and said right wingers were yelling for him to leave... That is partially right. Everyone was screaming for him to leave, because he didn't have any idea what he was doing. I did a short search of some background stuff on it... This was good.. Richard Lugar on Somalia: ... This was the Ambassador to Somalia: Real eye opener ... Here is a reminder that it was Murtha that convinced Clinton to withdraw:.. Here is another link to documents by Al-Queda crowing about the success in Somalia: ... This is the overview page where most of the interviews came from. It also has a time line. (Just to refresh everyone's memory.)"
#1,134; "... I believe we saw the end of Democrats as we know them when they could not stop Alito's nomination, a loss this year will etch that in stone... The fight between the Moveon wing and the DLC wing of the Dem party is going to resemble Hamas vs. PLO with the loser being the party."

Alas Babylon! (AB, you meet my criteria for the top 10, unfortunately there were 13 others who did too! I figured you'd understand)

#5; "From FReeper Nautinurse, a wonderful graphic of what we'll see this morning! As they say, if the finger's waggin', he must be lyin'!..." (note: great picture collection)
#53; "Answer to your (rhetorical) questions above:... 1. No, of course not! We were mad he wasn't doing ENOUGH! As President Bush said later, "We're not going to send a million dollar missile to blow up a 100 dollar camel" anymore... 2. LOL! Clinton hired Tenent! He's his creation. If Tenent's so bad in Clinton's eyes, why didn't he fire him instead of passing him on to President Bush? Hmmmmm... Do I detect a pattern here? That's right, Clinton, Let George Do It. Just like George Bush having to fight a war against Al Qaeda now since you didn't do your job then... 3. Well, the CIA and FBI couldn't talk to each other and share intelligence due to your Assistant Attorney General Jamie Gorelick and her wall, remember? And Bill, while we're at it, why did this "wall" have to be? I heard it was to prevent the agencies finding out about ChiCom financing of your campaign (and God knows what else) for missile technology? Care to speak on that? ... 4. Clinton's criticism of the Bush administration has broken all bounds of traditional former presidential behavior. This is an outright lie, and I'm sure we could post thousands of news articles posting quotes that contradict you, Clinton... 5. Richard Clarke's main concern was cyber terrorism. I'd say after 9/11, he failed, wouldn't you? ... 6. It's either the smirk, the bit lip, or some other theatric." (Note: follow up to Anita's post #44 - we're already on a roll and this was posted at 7:30 CDT!)
#947; "Actually, an independent McCain would be Hillary's Perot. He would take the votes to the right of her, and barely make a dent in the Republican's vote. I just don't see real republicans and conservatives getting excited over a McCain independent run. And the moonbats wouldn't necessarily vote for her, if say a Nader runs. Than she's squeezed flat in the middle!... Anyway, McCain has said, numerous times on camera, that he'd never run as an independent. Great campaign commercial stuff for his opponents if he ever did."
#958; "It might be funny and ironic, that the next president of the United States is from Massachusetts, but NOT John F'n Kerry!"
#1,077 "... I will never accept that Clarke did a great job. He sucked like most of the other bureaucratic Clinton appointees in DC. I laughed at how the "Path to 9/11" miniseries showed him. The fact that Pres Bush kept them aboard says a lot for Pres Bush. Bill Clinton fired every Bush I appointee he could get his crony-stuffing-jobs hands on."

anita (Always among the best contributors. The Media Nuggets post is one of my absolute favorites each week)

#44; "From Clinton interview:... All of President Bush's neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden - Did they?... The CIA was run by George Tenet who President Bush gave the medal of freedom to and said he did a good job. - What 's his beef with Tenet? (or President Bush?) ... The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that Bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. - The same people stood in the way of President Bush too thro' MSM, but W went along with his way over-ruling them... I never criticized President Bush. - Really?... Why did they fire Richard Clarke? - Because they can, it 's their admn.... And you've got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you're so clever - So, Bush is on his mind & he thinks Bush 's clever." (note: Very important post, the first to start posing the specific questions - this is going to be huge)
#61; "Well put, AB. Democrats are going to regret that Clinton is coming out talking about terrorism & his handling. It is ironic for him to spam the entire media, but a little challenge to him about his handling is the main-talk that is dominating... Meanwhile his former trusted aide Dick Morris is just warming up."
#142; this weeks Media Nuggets, great as usual! Shocker about Kim Hume leaving Fox, which opened up a lot of speculation about Brit's future (say it ain't so!)

arbee4bush

#141; "Hehe, (Clinton) loved the 911 comission report until Wallace brings up a part of it that smacks him. Now he is demeaning the report... What a transparent liar."
#164; "He is unstable. And he did damage our country while he was in office. But the problem is, he has his minions still damaging this country. We are NOT out of the woods yet. And he keeps us struggling to finish the win... He is vile... Damn, now he is blasting Chris Wallace and Fox bigtime. He is an ATTACK DOG this morning... His true personality is out there for all to see. Frightening!!!!"
#221; "LOL! Now he is b*tching about Rove outsmarting the dems. LOLOL"
#247; "Nah, (Clinton) would rather whine about those "Right Wingers", you know-the ones his wife accused of making false allegations against him... One word describes the end of this interview---GOOEY! ... I've never heard the words "Thank you" said so full of resentment. He knows Wallace got him to expose his dark side."

Arizona Carolyn

#650; "Chris Wallace was just interviewed on this interview on FOX and he said he was stunned by Clinton's reaction to his question, that he kept trying to get back to the ground rules for the interview and Clinton wasn't having any of that ... and Rupert Murdock just gave Clinton 1/2 Billion dollars for his little Global Initiative and then Clinton attacks Wallace for being a right-winger (which is he anything but)... My opinion, Clinton's ego has, once again, gotten in his way and this was a different version of "I didn't have sex with that woman." The man is such a pathological lier that he is like OJ Simpson, convinced of the myth, not the truth... He kept slamming Bush's demoting Clark and how great Clark was, yet Clark was not kind to Clinton in his own book -- maybe Clinton didn't really READ that book????"

barker

#223; "'Man has (Clinton) aged.' ... LOL I thought he was morphing into Jimmy Carter. Can you imagine his reaction if Chris had asked him 'does it bother you that you are getting and looking so old?'"

Barset

#1,130;"I just saw the interview. A lot of people will believe his lies and his self-serving excuse-making, and they'll vote accordingly... What would have been more satisfying than Wallace ordering Clinton off the set -- when Clinton leaned back and shut up -- if Wallace had asked, 'During the 9-11 Commission hearings, what documents did Sandy Berger remove from the archives? With what documents did he replace them, and did he do this at your or your representatives' bidding?' ... They still fear this psychopath."
#1,256; "... I think it was Hillary's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" ploy all over again. Clinton's repeatedly saying "Fox News, you right wingers, Fox, neocons, Right Wingers, Fox network" and on and on, set up the true believers who prefer passion to reason, and let Clinton sell the Dems' theme that there really is no terrorist threat, only a false fear that might keep the faithful from voting for Dems... During a live TV interview, stand-up, a young Hillary gazed blankly into the camera and said, 'You don't give your enemies a chance; you knock them to the ground and keep kicking them until they can't get up.' ... This is the Realpolitik that brought down the short-lived Weimar Republic; it is out of Marat, and Robespierre's friend, Saint-Just who proclaimed that the purpose of the new French Republic was to exterminate its enemies. It is Gramsci and Lenin, and it is the politics of the Clinton Democrats.... " (note this is some excerpts from a short essay post that is well worth the read)

Bernard

#125; "... While it is good to know that Chris Wallace at least listened to his viewers, what a sad commentary that he didn't think of asking questions like that on his own."

BlessedByLiberty

#818; "'...Remember how smart and savvy and what a great communicator Clinton was supposed to be?...' Interesting comments. The Left positioned Clinton as their Reagan. President Reagan did speak well off the cuff under pressure from a thoroughly hostile MSM, unlike Clinton who, when asked a non-fawning question becomes hostile.... This is why Clintonistas wooed the MSM with parties and a coequal interest in a socialist agenda. Their shared agenda worked well and at the expense of the nation's security... Both Clintons remain insulated with the MSM they seduced with in-crowd cocktail parties and influence. Thus an unexpected question posed by Chris Wallace unhinged him... On another note: I think the impetus behind the Clinton global initiative is to purchase him the UN Secretary General's seat. This global initiative is a slush fund to offer every tin-pot dictator funding help [read bribes] in exchange for a vote to change the rules so that a member state sitting on the Security council can be Secretary General... This helps explain stalling on Secretary Bolton's nomination."
#887; "Ironic really that Mr. and Mrs. Rodham Clinton, two clearly hostile, angry and volitile personalities so desperately crave attention for their 'peace efforts?'"

bray

#621; "BJ has to refer to Clarke and Tenet since he thinks they have credibility. Same with throwing Bush's name out there to give Tenet truth. Neither one of them are worth spit... He knows that the 911 Whitewash Commission couldn't wash all of his corruption away. The only thing he was obsessed with was himself/legacy... "
#702; "He also mentions the the FBI and CIA wouldn't guarantee, even though he knew His Wall kept them from sharing information... 'Hello 911? This is Chris Wallace at FOX NY, could you please send a Rubber Truck out here?? Ah, yah might want to bring a taser?' ..." (note: funny stiff)
#844; "Mr Potatohead will be asking underhand wiffleballs to his hero... First hardball question: Your excellency, could you expand on how you were able to have the best economy in US history while at the same time eliminating the debt?? .. Anyone remember how confrontational he was with GW two weeks ago?? ... "
#1,173; "For the smartest man in politics, it seems pretty stupid to remind the voters of the difference tween his Circus Freak Show and President Bush Administration's WOT??? Seems downright suicidal?? ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVEEEE!!!"

bvw

#1,212; "Clakre reminds me of Jabba the Hutt -- the character in the original pre-edit Star Wars. A man who wants all the bases covered, to be everything marketable to all people."

cardinal4

#659; "Clinton used missiles like condoms."
#735; "... I have posted this often enough but will post it again-if the CIA or the military captures a jihadist, and said jihadist trips a geiger counter, he has info that is time sensitive and the need to extract this info is vital to the security of the Nation and indeed the world. I dont advocate wanton torture for the hell of it, but measures that need to be taken, HAVE TO BE TAKEN. A couple of broken fingers versus a radiated Saint Louis, seems a small price to pay. I have held my nose and rationalized the need to keep the RINOs for 2006. But I stop short of endorsing anyone who does not understand the fundamental fact I have outlined above. McCain and Graham are who I refer to."

Carolinamom

#327; "I expect we'll be seeing Anne Lewis and Lanny Davis on TV very soon defending Clinton....always the sign that he is in big trouble."

Carry_Okie

#457; "I just saw one of the most hilarious political juxtapositions I've ever witnessed on television. There's Bubba, jabbing his finger at Chris Wallace on FNS, "We Trahd, at least we trahd." Immediately after that portion of the interview, I shifted to FoxNews, where Colonel Hunt then took Clinton's comments apart, shredding BJ's credibility once again... It was beautiful... "

Chuck54

#1,225; "Patterico took Clinton and his statements concerning a lack of questions to the Bush administration apart....... click on link for a great read... hat tip to Pattericos Pontifications"

Crawdad

#229; "(Clinton's) more paranoid than a meth addict."

digger48

#171; "Claims he "never criticized President Bush" ... Friggin liar"

Dinah Lord

#1,253; "Looks like there's plenty of stuff out there that highlight the lameness of WJC's argument... Here's a little tidbit from the Richard Clarke book, the one that Bubba is so all fired up about. Very interesting and courtesy of Tigerhawk... 'Second, Clarke points out that we were 'bombing Iraq every week.' Got that? We were manifestly -- by every measure that matters -- in a state of war with Iraq long before the Bush Administration came in to office. This notion that the invasion of March 2003 was a new war has been cooked up for its political value, but it has no basis in reality. We were flying 10,000 sorties a year against Iraq to enforce the no-fly zones, Iraq's air defenses were illegally shooting back, and we were dropping bombs on Iraqi targets 'every week' during stretches of that time. We were enforcing sanctions against Iraq that were devastating Iraq's economy, and we repeatedly flew punitive missions against Iraqi positions to retaliate for one or another violation of the 1991 cease fire agreement. The United States and the United Kingdom have been at war with Iraq since the end of the first Gulf War, not just as a legal technicality but as a matter of fact. The invasion of March 2003 was an escalation of that war that greatly compounded our exposure to casualties, but it was not a new war.'"

Dog

#233; "... 'Every even numbered year they come up with a security issue. (This is his idea of Rove's strategy.)' ... this is deranged moonbat stuff..." (note: in response to the running commentary from Miss Marple as posted in her #224)
#256; "'I (Clinton) believe the United States should support the World Criminal Court,' ... Bombshell....he supports turning over US Soldiers(your sons and fathers) to World thugs!!! ... YES!!!"

Fishtalk (Two exceptional essays this week - well done)

#311; "... Okay, I've listened to Bill Clinton and I, as expected, have the single and ONLY way this man can get out of this hole in which he's dug himself.... <snip> ... There's one major glitch with my description of how Bill Clinton could redeem himself... HE HAS TO REALLY MEAN IT... Not gonna happen. The Clintons are too used to having toadies and sycophants carry their baggage for them. Such as personal responsibilty and integrity is not in their vocabulary." (note: great rant - I've pruned out the body and given only a snippet of the intro and conclusion - read the whole thing)
#451; "... We got eyeballs and ears out here in la-la land. We know a petulant display of temper when we see it (Clinton's interview). I got a two year old granddaughter and she'll stomp up and down when I remind her that pouring water on the ground is not quite the same thing as actually watering the plants. She'll stomp up and down when the error of her ways are pointed out, asserting loudly that she WANTS to water the ground, dammit... Okay, she doesn't say the curse word but you get the picture. Ole Bill's performance was along the same lines... But imagine Hillary's wrath. That whole thing is going to CREAM her campaign."

frankenMonkey

#572; "Well, long-time reader of this thread - first time poster! ... and evidently the dementia caused by syphilis has finally taken hold of this screwball... Without his scripted talking points, he reveals what his true 'beliefs' are - and it's scary - 'Bush neocons' - 'karl rove' - 'rightwingers' - 'fox news' ... this was classic - the dems and hillary can bend over and kiss their collective a$$es goodbye!!!"

freedom1st

#821; "Russert was like a host in a Infomercial. No tough questions, just soft balls and leading questions about what the 'Rats should do about the mean Republicans."

Fudd Fan

#378; "I'm just watching this interview (my local Fox station runs FNS at 10am). I cannot believe Clinton's reaction and his veiled threats to Chris Wallace. I'm not a huge fan of Wallace, but I think he handled this pretty well... As far as Clinton goes... what an evil POS."
#482; "I thought Clinton was going to punch him at one point. He kept hammering that finger on Chris's notes. Really invading his space in a threatening way."
#508; "... Especially considering the kinds of questions Tony Snow gets every day from the idiot press, and the kinds of muck they throw at President Bush when he does a presser. And Tony and the President handle it with such grace... Clinton is just used to having a media that accepted whatever he said as gospel and he can't take even one tough question. During the height of impeachment, there were were questions but they were softballs that accepted whatever he said, and also the media constantly tried to have us believe that his approval rating was over 70%. I always thought that was a total crock."

Fury

#264; "Wow, what an embarrassment.... (Clinton) acted unpresidential. He acted compulsively during the interview - really seeming unable to control his temperament... The other thing his appearance may have the tendency to do is continue to make the link - when we see Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton is not far behind - another reason why I believe Hillary is unelectable as President."

GodBlessUSA

#390; "I'm glad they are showing a side to (Clinton) that most of his followers do not see. His charming smooth talk is definitely missing in this interview. He spends the time defending himself, rather than talk of our Troops and policy. He's crazy. But we already knew that ;) ... Just told Wallace he has a smirk on his face. He's so aggressive. This is a former President. This is great. LOL He's no statesman."

gov_bean_ counter

#951; "With Gorelick and Clinton spewing lies that can be easily refuted this is beginning to look like the weekend from hell for the Dems."
#965; "Dems should have ignored the Clinton outburst. Fox will replay and replay so people will get to see the interview and judge for themselves if it was an "attack". Clinton will come off once again as hiding something."
#1,098; "'Either Clinton is brain damaged, or he is bipolar big time. He did seem like he was on some Medication, not sure what. whatever he is on, the dose needs to be kicked up a notch.' ... Recall the WH doctor who was dismissed for asking to see Clintons medical file before administering an .allergy shot'."
#1,132; "Clearly there is something going on under the radar that has the Dems nervous. It doesn't make sense they would be so defensive given the top news items of the week: ... Perhaps it has something to do with the under reported raid on the Moslem charity offices and home of one of its principles. One of those charities has already been implicated in the Oil for Food scam and was a heavy contributor to many Democrats. ... It seems to me that Democrat opposition to Iraq ramped up shortly after it was disclosed that the US had captured all those documents. IMO, there is a fear that these charities are as meticulous record keepers as Saddam was... The Dems continue to be in a race against time. They must regain control of Congress before the light of freedom is shed on Saddam's Iraq. They must defund the initiates that continue to connect dots; that peels away the layers of deception and obfuscation that hide someone(s) complicity in Saddam's reign of terror." (note: I have cut out big chunks of what I think is an excellent essay - read the whole thing)

HawaiianGecko

#894; "'Clinton says he would figure out what the generally accepted conditions of the Geneva Conventions are and I would honor them.' Of course he fails to mention that is exactly what President Bush has just done... Clinton says that "water boarding was sought in this legislation" when in fact it was specifically being ruled out as the initial legislation put forth by the President was the exact wording of John McCain from a year ago. This is disinformation that many are spreading... He says we could have "spent 300 billion in Afghanistan to secure a moderate, pro-western government that could have keep the Taliban from coming back across the border..." Last time I looked Karzai headed a pro-western moderate government and since $300 billion can't keep terrorists from coming across the desert borders of Iraq, how in the hell would one expect it to keep the extremists from the most unruly (Kashmir) land on the planet from coming across some of the highest and most rugged mountains on the globe? It is totally irresponsible to state what that money would have produced like there is some kind of magic formula... Next he says we could have spent that money in homeland security which is one of my pet peeves... Essentially he's saying that he could have spent another 300 billion dollars and achieved the exact same results as President Bush. Zero, nada, none, no, zip attacks on American soil in 5 years is hard to beat regardless of how much you spend... Russert hasn't asked a tough question yet. He's just letting Clinton ramble on and say what he likes without questioning any of his thinking. I'm not sure why Tim doesn't just pull out his knee pads and finish the job."

Howlin

#168; "What does (Clinton) mean, nobody even knew who bin Laden was back then?" (note: more statements by the toon that need fact checking and lies that need exposure)
#214; "Look at (Clinton), he's STILL seething under what he thinks is coolness... Can you even believe he actually said that the only reason Wallace was "doing this to me" is because Fox is going to be embarassed because Clinton is working with Murdoch?"
#877; "Did you all read this from the NY Daily today: ... After the segment, Clinton got in Wallace's face and told Wallace he would not get away with his line of questioning... 'There is no other way to say it, the former President lost it,' said Wallace... Clinton granted the interview to get attention for the Clinton Global Initiative, his philanthropic effort... 'CGI is a nonpartisan event, and so we thought it would be fair to do Fox News Sunday... When Wallace hid behind his viewers and attacked President Clinton's record on terror, President Clinton fought back hard, just like any Democrat should when they are attacked with a baseless attack,' said Clinton spokesman Jay Carson... Wallace responded, 'My record and my performance speaks for itself. I ask probing questions of all sides.'"

jackv

#305; "Has the media been tough enough on BUSH??? What a joke!!!"
#398; "Col. Hunt just said bj better be careful pointing that finger. He lied. He was there. They were hamstrung. Never met with Woolsey!! He did little to nothing!!!"

johnny7

#573; "... (Clinton) really wanted (CIA) to GUARANTEE (getting Bin Laden) with their careers/jobs... which he knew they wouldn't do. The guy is a perfect, human parasite... who understood the shortcomings of professional bureaucrats."
#847; "(The NBC Clinton interview) seemed like a platform for Clinton's delusional ruminations... just a few, broad questions by Russert with no followup. In short... Russert sharing a few, precious moments with a rapist who he wishes was still president."
#928; "So in summing up... Clinton lied as usual in the Wallace interview."
#1,011; "If you watch his body language in the Wallace interview... he demonstrated the movements of a cornered liar... caught for the umpteenth time. He's a 60 year old, snot-nosed punk."

MaestroLC (The "Tom Cruise moment" comment has been forwarded to several talking heads - lets see if they pick it up)

#607; "I just saw the Bubba interview ... This was a bad appearance. Bubba's 'Tom Cruise' moment. He showed America how small a person (and president) he really is... 'I...I...I...I...' It's all about Bubba. A sick man. It's all about his legacy of BJs from interns, impeachment, and not getting Bin Laden when he had several clear-cut chances... Wallace asked a legitimate question and Bubba responded by losing his composure. He also attacked Wallace personally. To the Democrat faithful, as expected, Bubba did a good job. To regular Americans, those that simply want to be more informed, this was a big revelation and turn-off. To see a former president this abrasive and personally nasty to a legitimate question was offensive. The way Bubba was finger-pointing at Wallace was crude; and then Bubba reaching his hand and touching Wallace in what I thought was a threatening way was beyond the pale... The specifics were not surprising: He blames 'neo-cons' (i.e., Jews), blames Bush, blames right-wingers, etc.. Then he touts Richard Clarke, a proven liar, as a source for truth. But the whopper lies Bubba told about Bin Laden...I cannot wait for Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin to get tear him apart... This is the Bubba we always wanted America to see. He may still be treated as a rock star by the media and the lib faithful, but he lost a lot of respect from the average American that may have liked him at one time." (note: highlights are mine - great phrases)

maica

#113; "Many will be spared hearing (Clinton's) voice that we have been so blessed to not have on the airwaves every day. I want to watch the Chris Wallace interview, but am having a physical reaction to that voice.!!!! And his constant lying!"
#194; "Clinton is coming across as an out of control, out of touch bully. Chris Wallace should get a combat bonus for this interview."

mainepatsfan

#13; "So it's a Clinton/RINO morning. The DBM will be in heaven."
#16; "It's been a while since Bubba has been this rattled."
#68; "The last thing the Dems want is Clinton reminding every American about what a "great" job he did fighting terrorism while he was President."
#139; "The most secure documents during his (Clinton's) administration were his medical records."
#147; "If this side of Bubba had ever come out during one of his Presidential debates he would have been toast."
#178; "I guess it depends on what your meaning of the word "criticize" is." (note: in response to the Clinton quote supplied by digger48 in post #171, that he never criticized Bush)
#232; "Yeah (Clinton) just decided to attack Iraq on the eve of his impeachment because of military reasons. /s"

MaineVoter2002

#4; "I don't know who was more angry this week... Hugo Chavez OR Bill Clinton and Co... Guess he knows he's been pegged... http://www.cafenetamerica.com"

MEG33

#392; "Finally I can listen and post while Fox is on ..Clinton is blowing a gasket over Chris's questions. He is sitting at Clarkes feet.. and also blasting Fox..'Did you ever ask Bush why he did not do more to get Osama' ..He is SOOoo intent on blasting Fox News that he is losing it! ...To Chris.. 'You think you are so clever' He is so mad! ... His attack on Chris is not improving his image but thrilling the DUers immensely. I am sure. It took a lot of resolve for me to watch the stained one. It was worth it to see him wag his finger again."
#420; "... Brit calling Clinton's temper 'the thunderstorm Chris ran into'"
#444; "Wag The Dog... poor Clinton... He must realize it is his fault that people doubted his efforts as anything but a way to change the focus away from his sex in the Oval office scandal... Juan got shot down by Mara, of all people, about Bush getting a pass in the press over no WMD... (The dems thought he had them, too.) ... I did not see Bush getting a pass... Bush has been attacked continuously over no WMD in Iraq. Of course Mara says the war is very unpopular, too."
#480; "... Oh, good... Brit smacked Juan over his 'torture being allowed'... calls that a whopper.. We all know what torture is and that has not been allowed. No more water boarding seems to be the 'compromise'".
#553; "... I think Allen was provoked but he surely came off poorly when asked about his "Jewish identity". Not ready for primetime (President) yet... McCain's moral posturing is a bit hard to take at any time, though. I'll just read and get the reports here."

#339; "'Freeh claimed, the former president failed to press Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to let the FBI question Saudi-held suspects in the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing -- and instead hit up the Crown Prince for a financial donation to his presidential library' ... This is basically an accusation that Clinton's foreign policy objectives were tailored to his pocketbook. As profound a dereliction of duty and outright treason as I have ever seen. I wonder if the JAG has jurisdiction when it come to the CIC/POTUS? Somebodies are beginning to pressure WJC on this issue...IMHO."

Mo1

#501; "... Note .. (Clintonistas) keep saying the CIA wouldn't give a 100% guarantee ... Gee .. were they 98% sure ????"

mountainfolk

#857; "Sad but often true--no good deed goes unpunished. Chris Wallace made an extraordinary effort to defend Clinton against the downside view of him as presented on ABC's 'Path to 9/11'. It is good and instructive for liberal leaning people to get a close up view of the Clinton mentality. Now the question is, WHO will FOX have on to give the correct version of all events covered by Clinton? Especially since Clinton mentioned no names other than Rove and Clark but sweepingly used the RIGHT WING to cover all bases. Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld could do it but maybe a woman would be better pairing---Victoria Toensing is prime time experienced and quite capable of setting the record straight. I think Chris Wallace would appreciate interviewing an intelligent, no nonsense, articulate person of the caliber of lawyer Toensing. Even the cry baby ex president Clinton would not intimadate Victoria. She could even handle a smirk if Chris sneaked one in."

mware

#121; "Hey Jim have you heard about that top secret report, on Iraq leading to more terrorism) that the NYT's got hold of and splashed it across their newspaper... Stuffaoctupus is already commenting about it, and the Dem' have jumped all over it... It seems the NYT's cherry picked what they would report on the document... No such thing as a coincidence with these people. I will bet my last dollar that it was planned to be timed with the election cycle and clintons appearances today on the talking heads"
#138; "'Clinton: Because tomorrow when I get up and there’s a bad headline in the papers, it’s President Bush’s responsibility and not mine. That’s the joy of being a former potus.' ... And I just went to confession yesterday. I can not say what I am thinking... THE JOY???????? ... Just Damn"

OldFriend

#744; "I suspect there is going to be a renewed effort to discredit FNC at every turn from now until the midterm elections... Wonder if slick willie will demand no dems appear on with Wallace."
#750; "Never mind that Ken Lay was on the board of dizzy lizzy heinz board. Even after he was accused of wrongdoing she was writing letters on his behalf... Not a word from the media."
#955; "McCain could always find justification for him breaking his promises, betraying America and our brave military the way he has betrayed every trust for decades."
#1,055; "I only caught little bits of the interview but I love how Wallace hd to keep from laughing at the old lying traitor."
#1,116; "If ever there was a double edged sword it has to be Cohen's comments on slick willie being focussed on Saddam Hussein... According to the lying dems, SH was no problem at all. Just minding his own business causing no trouble at all... Now we hear that SH was on the top of Bubba's list... This is just so contrary to what bubba's been saying that it makes no sense. Is there anyone in that administration who had a clue?"

onyx

#379; "Textbook sociopath (Clinton). Never accept blame. Always the victim."
#1,174; "Danforth is blaming divisive and ugly politics on the close association of the Christian Right and the GOP... He's even penned a book to that effect... I am livid."

PajamaTruthMafia

#490; "Stress brings out the true nature of people. It's instinctive and hard to override - It's like the "fight or flight" response. During that interview we saw the true Clinton... I am sure honest psychiatrists could (and will) develop a very accurate personality profile of Clinton based on that interview and I don't think it would be very flattering."
#577; "Just to pickup on that, this comes from page 449 of Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. The Book the 911 commission called 'definitive.' ... When the Clinton administration failed to authorize an attack on bin Laden during a desert hunting trip in 1999, 'For some of the ground-level officers involved in the bin Laden chase the decision to hold fire seemed almost unforgivable. It had been one thing before the African embassy bombings to have their plan to raid Tarnak Farm [denied] ... but with the desert camp, recalled one participant, 'We knew he was there. We had assets in place. There was little risk to life and limb to anybody.. and it would have been, we thought, definitive ... Some of them [CIA] blamed Clarke, speculating that he was so close to the U.A.E. royal family because of defense deals he had previously negotiated that he would never take the risk of offending them.... '' ... In addition, you have Clinton, in his own words, discussing why he turned down an offer by the Sudanese Government to turn over Bin Laden."
#808; "I took the wag-the-dog comment at face value simply because I did not remember what was said at the time. But, look at what was really being said according to the NYT: ... Congressional leaders were briefed about the planned raid Wednesday night and Thursday morning. For the most part, Republican leaders praised Clinton's decision and urged more aggressive action against terrorism... House Speaker Newt Gingrich expressed firm support, and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, said, 'Our response appears to be appropriate and just.' ... Others were more critical. Accusing Clinton of 'lies and deceit and manipulations and deceptions,' Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind., said the president's record 'raises into doubt everything he does and everything he says, and maybe even everything he doesn't do and doesn't say.' ... Administration officials dismissed such skepticism. Cohen said: 'The only motivation driving this action Thursday was our absolute obligation to protect the American people from terrorist activities. That is the sole motivation. No other consideration has been involved.' ... U.S. Cruise Missiles Strike Sudan and Afghan Targets Tied to Terrorist Network"

PerConPat

#738; "... out of the mouths of Bush doubters we can perhaps get a glimpse of their usually repressed notions of common sense. She staggered around and finally made these telling comments during her punditry:.. 1. There have been no demonstrably successful attacks on the US homeland since the invasion of Iraq... 2. The Iraq and Afghanistan incursions have provided fronts on which to fight the terrorists... I believe that the thinking public is aware of these points to a degree that will render the NIE report a non-factor in the majority's minds."
#964; "... While I agree that the danger of appeasement was the major lesson to be learned from Hitler's rise and its disastrous aftermath, the effect of Goebbels' constant butchering of the truth was also a determinant in taking Germany, and hence the world, down a calamitous path. Clinton and his lackeys are attempting to overturn the true nature of his time in office. And efforts to point out the truth to the public can never be overdone... Conservatives fight an uphill battle against demagogues like the Clintons. Furthermore, we have to battle against the human proclivities to envy the successful and to avoid toil in the pursuit of goods. This is a matter of fact that is borne out by the demographics of the political landscape. So, American Leftist twisting of the truth is every bit as dangerous as the practices of Hitler's propaganda machine. I say never pass up a chance to show Bubba's presidency it for what it was. The Cigar Man deserves no mercy when it comes to reporting the true nature of his Administration."

RasterMaster

#743; "... I've been thinking that since BJ Clinton thought he could buy off the Taliban, in effect he purchased 9-11."

RayChuang88

#274; "After seeing the description of the (Clinton) interview on this message thread, you REALLY have to wonder just how much damage the former President just did to the Democrats' chances in 2006...."

Right_in_Virginia

#123; "My God. This man (Clinton) is deranged. What would he do without his 'right wingers'?"
#146; "BJ's unstable. Truly frightening. It is by the Grace of God we survived his tenure."
#217; "... BJ's clinging to shadows." (note: great phrase)
#302; "Brit: Clinton could have used the power of his office after (all the) attacks to rally the nation to the seriousness of AQ. He didn't. In hindsight, it was (probably) as wrong decision."

right wing

#846; "... Can you imagine how he'd act if the press started asking him relentlessly rude and insulting questions like they do President Bush when he has a press conference? The press has treated both of the Clinton's with kid gloves during interviews for the last fifteen years and one of these days everyone will not be able to ignore that fact."

rockrr

#469; "... Klintoons hissy-fit may be forgotten, but only by some big show of misdirection by the Dhimmicrats. What I see in this latest attack by the sinkmaster is a message. A message to anyone who gives a crap about the future of our country... This is their gauntlet and he is their standard bearer. He is waving the "go" flag for every klintoon apologist, every lefty history revisionist, and every liberal maroon to launch their goofy, spin machines. It is the ultimate expression of Bush Derangement Syndrome (frankly I'm surprised that klintoon would have the attention span necessary to catch BSD) and we've known it was coming for a long time... So what are we gonna do about it? ... Hopefully put our internal ideological squabbles on the shelf (at least for a bit) and meet them head-on. The most effective offense against them is the truth. Offered up in huge doses. Use their words (and vids) against them. Beat them up with their own tripe. Expose their hypocrisy and their intrinsic cowardice... Now would be good! ;'}"
#1,263; "... I'll give CW credit where credit is due - he could have folded like a house of cards. He could have called for the cameras to be shut off and ended the interview. He could have challenged that cowardly POS and he probably would have made him pee his pants (most bullies are consummate cowards). But had he done so he wouldn't have captured what he did... And what he captured is priceless! They'll be talking about this for years. Had it just been a reporter with a pen and paper it would have been glorious, but the vid is worth its price in gold... Wallace done good - rockrr says so!"

rr1954

#395; "I think the panel held back because Clinton did the damage all by himself. No one can accuse them of piling on so no fall back for Clinton and his allies. Believe me, his screed will be used by plenty of conservatives over the next several months."

Sal

#225; "From your link in #61 regarding the people both Clintons have such lucrative business arrangements with: ... Just last week, a group of parents filed a class-action lawsuit against him and his brother in federal court in Miami, claiming that they conspired in a scheme that "abducted and trafficked thousands of small boys from South Asia and Africa to the United Arab Emirates and other Arab states and enslaved them to work as camel jockeys, camel trainers and camel tenders." ... The suit says that 'boys as young as two years old were stolen from their parents, trafficked to foreign lands, and put under the watch of brutal overseers in camel camps throughout the region.' ... Does anybody believe little two year old boys are being kidnapped to take care of camels? They may be 'taking care' of 'animals', but not camels... Is there anything the Clintons won't do for money and power?"

SE Mom

#941; "Jamie Gorelick is on FOX now- and this is a DIRECT QUOTE: ... 'There WAS no wall'....she claims there was never a wall between the FBI and the CIA. NONE- EVER- and now she's pissed that Gallagher is asking her about the wall (FOX) ...saying she thought she was on the show as a 9/11 commissioner...not as part of the Clinton administration...she was not happy to answer these questions... Yikes!"
#954; "It was unbelievable, actually. (Gorelick) didn't even attempt to couch the remark. "There was NO WALL between the CIA and the FBI"... Absolutely no-holds barred, flat out L I E."

sheikdetailfeather

#374; "... (Clinton) even went off on ABC's movie. He acted like he was the host badgering Chris Wallace for several minutes. Told Chris he had a smirk on his face. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

snugs

#242; "Does he think so well of himself or is it he is trying to convince himself how well he did as President when deep down he knows the truth and cannot face it."

STARWISE

#1,031; "Just watching PotatoHead's soft, respectful interview of the Slickster ... stunning difference in demeanor Timmy practices with him over say, Cheney or Rumsfeld ... AND .. just heard Bubba say (in order to let us know how current and in the loop he is): I just spoke to Pres. Talibani today ... HE IS disgusting and INCORRIGIBLE and EVER SLICK .. but NOT as sickening as RUSSERT!"
#1,039; "REGARDING THE G O R E L I C K ...WALL .................. From my post on another thread. ... "That AUSA (US Attorney/s) will continue to be "walled off" from participation in the on-going criminal investigationsand cases and will continue to abide by all FISA dissemination provisions and guidelines." ... Extracted from de-classified, undated Gorelick memo HERE"
#1,110; "... O'REILLY INTERVIEW RE INTERROGATION METHODS WHERE BRIAN ROSS CONFIRMS ALL THE VITAL INFORMATION WE GOT FROM KSM'S TREATMENT THAT STOPPED PLOTS AND SAVED LIVES" (note: the comments and excerpted quotes in the earlier part of the post are excellent too)

tcrlaf

#1,007; "Amazing that the DNC must constatntly "DEFINE" what Billy actually says, isn't it?? ... LOL!"

texicali

#623; "I just watched the FNS interview in LaLaLand and it was truly a sight to behold. It showed Bubba for what he truly is finally for all to see. This was act 2 of his attempted rewrite of his presidency, act 1 was his interference with the docudrama about the runup to 9-11. MTP comes on here at 10AM so I'm going to watch that to see what softballs Russert pitches today. Monday talk radio will be on fire." (note: "Monday talk radio will be on fire." Oh yeah!)
#705; "Bubba blamed Wallace for not sticking to the terms of the interview....reality clearly shows Bubba refused to go back to the "agreed upon" format....just more of his exposure of his true self...there was no reason for Wallace to expect any kind of temper tantrum from Bubba...I just heard on Moose's last panel that Wallace wasn't as prepared for the interview as he should have been....the MSM is already starting their defense of this abysmal failure yet again of their beloved Bubba"

ThreePuttinDude

#23; "It's fun to watch a child have a temper tantrum, and know (Clinton's) damning himself with each word."
#1,102; "'He has lived a life of deception, buck passing, triangulation and written the book on lying while under fire! Few are his equal.' ... I've often thought of the toons childhood, being brought up in a dysfunctional home, bar hopping mother and all. He learned how to fend for himself, and expertly craft his used car salesman talents... Just my $0.02"

TomGuy

#347; "Clinton-FNS Interview 09-24-06... Download link at Megaupload.com... " (note: wmv file - contains entire Fox interview with Bill Clinton - talk about FR being a resource!)

Txsleuth

#1,097; "Clinton just said that the "right wingers" accused him of being obsessed with Bin Ladin back then... BUT, I heard an interview with William Cohen, by Bill O'Reilly... just a few weeks ago...and COHEN said that Clinton was too obsessed with SADDAM HUSSEIN... in the late 90's to pay attention to Bin Ladin!!!"
#1,201; "Here is a thread with a column by David Horowitz saying that this leaked classified NIE report is troubling, not that what is said in the news it true... BUT, that it is yet another classified report, LEAKED to the MSM, to use against Bush...and no one even makes a big deal about this act of "leaking classified information"... as any big deal anymore... I agree with him...that is a hugh story that no one has even questioned on TV today."