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ACLU: Conceived In Tyranny
Investors Business Daily ^ | September 21, 2006

Posted on 09/21/2006 7:28:16 PM PDT by NCjim

The Enemy Within: From the beginning, the American Civil Liberties Union has aligned itself with America's adversaries. Its unrelenting strategy has been to twist our Constitution into a weapon against American values and security.

ACLU founder and longtime executive director Roger Baldwin's infamous quote still haunts his organization today, a quarter-century after the radical activist's death:

"I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

It's a statement that's been repeated and reprinted so many times, some Americans might be numbed rather than outraged upon hearing it again. But it's no urban legend. The man who started the organization that claims to be the leading safeguard of the U.S. Constitution did say it, along with plenty of statements mirroring those sentiments.

Baldwin was already steeped in communist thought when in the late 1910s he jump-started the American Union Against Militarism, which was established to oppose the U.S. effort in World War I. Within the AUAM — the progenitor of the ACLU — Baldwin formed the Bureau of Conscientious Objectors to defend war resisters. He also joined the anti-war socialist People's Council.

In 1918, Baldwin pleaded guilty to his own draft dodging and was sentenced to a year in prison. He told his local draft board he refused to perform military service and "any service whatever designed to help the war." He opposed the draft in principle, during war or peacetime, or "for any purpose whatsoever."

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; antiamericanism; auam; baldwin; civilliberties; communism; communists; culturewar; rogerbaldwin
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To: NCjim

"ACLU founder and longtime executive director Roger Baldwin's infamous quote still haunts his organization today, a quarter-century after the radical activist's death:

"I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." "

Well, nothing has changed since it's inception................................


21 posted on 09/21/2006 10:20:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: NCjim

If the ACLU did not bring a lawsuit against LOGAN airport for racial profiling pre-9/11/01, and the climate of political cowardice did dictate the then-current climate, Bush's biggest problem on 9/22/06 would likely be mid-term elections.


22 posted on 09/21/2006 10:34:08 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: mugs99
"I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

Roger Baldwin made that quote in 1987.

...the ACLU is doing the job that Conservatives should be doing...and that is a sad fact.

The goal of the ACLU is to use our freedoms and (to distort) our generous legal system to the absurd extreme against us, and undermine the country. I wouldn't say Conservatives are doing this, but REPUBLICAN'Ts like McCain and Graham ARE doing just that with these suicidal interrogation rule changes.

23 posted on 09/21/2006 10:42:34 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Maybe we DON'T wish to keep our republic, Mr. Franklin!!!)
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To: Captainpaintball

mis-type. He died in 1981.


24 posted on 09/21/2006 10:48:36 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Maybe we DON'T wish to keep our republic, Mr. Franklin!!!)
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To: mugs99

Bill O'Reilly is a registered Independent, and has continually proclaimed his party allegiance since The Factor's inception. These facts are well known public knowledge. The only "public" that views O'Reilly as a conservative- are liberals.


25 posted on 09/21/2006 10:53:06 PM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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To: mugs99
I was wrong about the date of the quote. But he did embrace Ho Chi Minh in the 60s, as well as help lead the movement for the US to UNI-laterally disarm itself of nuclear weapons in the 70s.

Here is the FULL quote which earned him eternal infamy: Here is the full quotation:

“I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. It all sums up into one single purpose -- the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live. I don't regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.”

I think his anti communist actions were a smokescreen to protect his ass, quite frankly. For example, he joined the battle against McCarthy in the 50s, after, I believe, he knew what the outcome would be, and felt safe.

26 posted on 09/21/2006 11:12:40 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Maybe we DON'T wish to keep our republic, Mr. Franklin!!!)
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To: Captainpaintball
Roger Baldwin made that quote in 1987
Roger Baldwin died on August 26th, 1981. The quote is from his speach to the American Union Against Militarism in 1917.
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27 posted on 09/21/2006 11:14:23 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Treader

Conservative is not party. Conservatism began as a Libertarian movement. There are many Independent as well as Libertarian and Republican Conservatives.


28 posted on 09/21/2006 11:19:40 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

Sure, and NAMBLA equates the Lutheran Church.


29 posted on 09/21/2006 11:22:49 PM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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To: Captainpaintball
I think his anti communist actions were a smokescreen to protect his ass, quite frankly. For example, he joined the battle against McCarthy in the 50s, after, I believe, he knew what the outcome would be, and felt safe.
He condemned communism in his book "A New Slavery" in 1939.
He led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members in the 1940s.

help lead the movement for the US to UNI-laterally disarm itself of nuclear weapons in the 70s.
Yes, he was a pacifist.

I was wrong about the date of the quote. But he did embrace Ho Chi Minh in the 60s
They were old friends. Ho Chi Minh was our ally during WWII. Minh consulted with Baldwin when he wrote the Vietnamese Constitution. It is a duplicate of ours. Minh wanted Viet Nam to remain an ally and trading partner of the US. Truman rejected Minh and gave Viet Nam to France.
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30 posted on 09/21/2006 11:42:53 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Treader

No, the law would have equated the Lutheran Church.


31 posted on 09/21/2006 11:44:56 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

Is that a fact? Has the Lutheran Church ever expoused the serial killing of anyone, much less that of/by BTK? NO! Does NAMBLA expouse the serial rape of children? YES! Now, mugs99- can you discern the difference in comparsion?


32 posted on 09/21/2006 11:54:39 PM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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To: Treader

I gave you the facts of the case. You obviously have a reading comprehension problem.
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33 posted on 09/22/2006 3:53:17 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

Thank you for the studious effort. I just may need a bit more skoolin'.


34 posted on 09/22/2006 4:26:02 AM PDT by Treader (Human convenience is always on the edge of a breakthrough, or a sellout)
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To: churchillbuff
but ironic and not very accurate, as far as I can tell

Well, I think the reference is that both Jihad and the ACLU would destroy Christianity given the opportunity.
35 posted on 09/22/2006 7:29:25 AM PDT by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: mugs99
Lets say they do the correct thing 50% of the time. The other 50% of the time the Commies are doing things to destroy me from within. It's kinda like Hugo coming over here and giving oil to the poor. That does not make up for all the things he said about my President.
36 posted on 09/22/2006 7:31:08 AM PDT by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: NCjim

"In the 1930s, Congress investigated the ACLU and found it to be "closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States, and fully 90% of its efforts are on behalf of communists who have come into conflict with the law." According to the congressional investigation's conclusion, "It claims to stand for free speech, free press and free assembly, but it is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLU is to attempt to protect the communists in their advocacy of force and violence to overthrow the government."


37 posted on 09/22/2006 7:54:25 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: do the dhue

Sure, we can say that. And we can work to change things. But let's keep our facts straight to make sure we have the credibility to win.


38 posted on 09/22/2006 8:01:08 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Treader
Thank you for the studious effort. I just may need a bit more skoolin'.
Lol...I see you have a sense of humor and that's a good thing!
I only want those who oppose bad ACLU policy to base their opposition on fact. That's why I credit the ACLU when they deserve it. I would like to see the ACLU take an active role in defending the 2nd amendment, the original intent of the Commerce Clause and self determination of the states.

The membership determines the priority of cases and liberal members outnumber conservative members...but the conservative base is growing.
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39 posted on 09/22/2006 8:14:06 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Captainpaintball

I noticed I gave you the date for the wrong quote. It's from the interview in '27.


40 posted on 09/22/2006 8:26:05 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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