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McCain Stand Comes at a Price
LA Times ^ | 09-19-06 | By Janet Hook and Richard Simon, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 09/21/2006 12:10:42 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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To: Jacquerie

Had he lost any due to incompetence he would have lost his wings.


His father was an Admiral, that is why he did not loose his wings.

He broke like everyone else under extreme torture.

four days after being shot down, McCain called for a North Vietnamese guard. 4 days.

Aircraft are lost in war.

The other aircraft he lost was not due to enemy fire.


41 posted on 09/21/2006 8:22:53 AM PDT by John D
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To: MNJohnnie
Note to dream on McCainiancs cheeleaders. Conservatives, not these mythical "Admirers", nominate the 2008 Republican Canidate. For trying to backstab the President and hand control of the Congress over to the Dems this year, McCain and the other RINO stoodtes are politically dead in Republican circles.

If we assume McCain is NOT stupid, then he already knows this.

Which means his actual strategy is NOT what it seems on the surface.

So... Does McCain intend to run in the Republican primaries, lose, and then join a "National Unity Ticket" with the Dem nominee? Hillary, maybe?

Maybe with special authority given to the VP, making it closer to a dual Presidency?

Could it be?...

42 posted on 09/21/2006 8:33:24 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: volunbeer
McCain is wrong. I was an Army officer and the Geneva conventions do not apply to a terrorist.

I was an Air Force officer, and I agree with you completely.

McCain knows this too. He just chooses to ignore it.

43 posted on 09/21/2006 8:37:41 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: nopardons
...."Newtie will NEVER be the candidate"........

Out of the bunch I mentioned, he would be my choice. If Tancreado can be something besides a "johnny one note" he may also get my vote. But if you are talking about the best all around candidate, Newt is it. I don't understand the vitreol in the Freeper den about Newt. He gave us the conservative victory, the "Contract" was passed in 100 days, it WORKED, and he is right on most if not all of the issues. I love president Bush, but I disagree with his stand on the border. But try to imagine Algore, or Kerry in office today.

Unless something better comes along,( and it looks increasingly doubtful), I'll take Newt. If the Repubs get to squishy,( Frist, Guliani, et al), you will see the return of the 3rd party spoiler.

Newt has Founding Father type qualities and he "get's it". He balanced the budget, not Klintoon, and he impeached the bastid! The Senate is the one that went wobbly. He is an Army brat, so he gets it about the military, and he was a history teacher that knows Real History.

Someone else may catch my eye, but right now, it's Newt and I think more conservatives need to examine just what they find wrong with him. The most I've heard is that he has a queer daughter and hes been married more than once. Well, Gulinai dresses in drag and marches in parades and he's been married more than once, and was living "in sin" while mayor. McCain is working on multiple marriages, and I'm sure others are too. The point is, I don't think McCain being a POW qualifies him to be Commander in Chief. And I don't think Guliani being Mayor of NYC makes him an expert on terror. I look at the whole enchilada and pick from that. There are those that want Frist to fix health care because he's a doctor. He's a nice man, but if he could fix it, he already would have a plan that was so irresistible, it would be law today. I don't want him running the military or Foreign policy just because he was a doctor.

If it's not Newt, who then? I'm open for serious candidates.

44 posted on 09/21/2006 10:20:06 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
If it's not Newt, who then? I'm open for serious candidates.

Newt's divorce was so ugly that it would be easy to paint him as a horrible person. I doubt Newt could be elected.

Personally, I suspect we will nominate a classic dark horse. I suspect that person will be running against a Hillary/McCain ticket, or a Hillary/Powell ticket.

45 posted on 09/21/2006 10:31:23 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: Jacquerie
McQueeg would have washed out of Naval flying school, if his father and grandfather had not been Admirals at the time; he CRASHED four planes, acted as though he was better than everyone else, and was at the bottom of his class.

When he crashed yet another plane, this time into Vietnam, the minute he was found by the Cong, he pulled an "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?" kind of thing. Instead of just supplying them with his name, rank, and serial number, he told then that his father and grandfather were ADMIRALS! And yes, he also spilled his guts some more, not long after that.

Not all POWs are "heroes".

What you mistakenly call "venom", is just a normal reaction to the facts; facts that you apparently don't know.

46 posted on 09/21/2006 1:53:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: chuckles
I just don't understand WHY you don't know the truth/facts about Newtie. Goodness knows, you've been here long enough to have read all of the threads about Newt and seen why so many of us became thoroughly disenchanted with him, long ago. So, I'll go through what you've missed.

I used to really LOVE and admire Newtie. I even have an autographed book of his. But long ago, that admiration began to wane and then turn into distaste. In this, I am NOT alone.

Newtie was GREAT as a backbencher. Most of us were more than willing to overlook his, shall we say rather unsavory, private life ( married his high school math teacher and then, divorced her in a shoddy way ), because of his seemingly staunch conservatism and '94 leadership.

Yes, he forced Clinton into the balanced budget; however, he also strapped on kneepads when he and the Toon had that televised love-fest. And then there was the closing down of Congress, which worked to Clinton's advantage. From then one, it was downhill all the way. He caved and kept on caving to Slick. But what can you expect, when Newt is the reverse side of the same coin Clinton is on?

Oh yes, Newt has FF type qualities......he and Ben Franklin , where morality ( lack thereof ) is concerned; not to mention being a lousy husband and father and adulterer.

Jeffersonian UTOPIAN, head in the clouds kind of qualities; especially when Newt was pushing the last Tolfers (sp?) book.

Let's also throw in Burr's backstabbing quality, while we're at it...shall we?

Are you aware of the fact that Newt has been going around praising that IDIOT Bloomberg's insane plan to pay welfare recipients' money, for each completed chore, as a bribe, for feeding their kids, making sure their children go to school, they go to a doctor, etc.?

Stop trying to slam Rudy with that cross dressing canard! He took part in annual SHOWS, where mayors and N.Y.C. lawyers and politicos have been dressing up and putting on skits for many decades years. THIS IS NOTHING NEW! But FR's wee group of foaming at the mouth Giulliani haters have been spamming thread after thread with the same damned pictures, from one or two shows, for months now. Either these posters don't know ( except I and a few others have been telling them where these pictures are from and WHY he was dressed as he was ) or, and this IS the real answer, they know and they just want to trash Rudy. And if you want to talk about divorces and adultery, Newt's are far worse and HIS own doing, unlike Rudy's!

Tancredo is a johnny-one-note. His sycophants are moonbats.

We are two years out of the '08 GOP presidential primary. At this point, prior to the same thing of '00, nobody, NOBODY, was talking about President Bush.

Will a knight in shining armor appear next year, amongst the pack of "I DON'T WANT ANY OF THEMs"? I don't know, but I sure hope so.

47 posted on 09/21/2006 2:38:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; John D; middie; F14 Pilot
What are your sources? The vietcong?

According to you his father's rank explains why he got into and graduated from the Naval Academy, why he became a pilot, why he did not smoke himself during training, why he remained a pilot, retired at the rank of Captain and supposedly why he received special treatment from the north vietnamese. If so, why did he spend over five years in Hanoi?

Tinfoil.

A poor pilot would have planted himself on the ramp of an aircraft carrier, admiral father or not. Most pilots get only one chance to do that. Do you know what a ramp is? Naval aviation does not suffer incompetents. The training alone has a way of weeding out weak players. McCain's honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.


For John D, two minutes (not four days) under the water board will make anyone sing.
48 posted on 09/21/2006 3:12:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean)
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To: Jacquerie
My sources can all be found on FR and In FR's archives. Many people have posted links to MANY different sources, lately, which obviously YOU have ignored.I suggest that YOU do the research and find out the truth about your boy.

McCain's fellow boarders at the HANOI HILTON can't stand him and have LOUDLY come out against him.....long ago.

John F. Kerry has far more Purple Hearts than McCain has. Is Kerry a "HERO" too?

The ONLY tinfoil around here, is the many boxes worth of Reynold's Wrap tightly bound about your head and eyes.

49 posted on 09/21/2006 3:48:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jacquerie
What are your sources? The vietcong?


I gave you my sources, some came from McCoward himself.


For John D, two minutes (not four days) under the water board will make anyone sing.


Not even McCain said he was ever put on a water board (and if he ever was he would have bragged about it). We had thousands of POWs who never gave up the information McCrazy gave up.

When I lived in AZ I knew McCrazy, and I went to many T and T events where he spoke. Anyone who has to brag about themselves as much as he did is not a hero. Heros brag about what others did.

My biggest problem with him though is not his performance in the navy, it is his mental stability. He has much too much of a temper. I am afraid he might get us in a war just because a foreign leader said something he did not like.
50 posted on 09/21/2006 3:57:49 PM PDT by John D
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To: MNJohnnie
My, my.
2008 is a (in political terms) looooooooong way away.
Hell, 3 months is a looooong time in political terms.

The future will take care of itself in due time.
What is to gain by stirring up crap about this right now?

51 posted on 09/21/2006 4:09:25 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: michigander

Nothing now that McCain caved on the Terrorists bill.


52 posted on 09/21/2006 4:14:19 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Ann Coulter: "I love Freepers!" Told to Freeper eeevil Conservative)
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To: nopardons; John D; middie; F14 Pilot; Jacquerie

Now we know what a McCainiac is.....


53 posted on 09/21/2006 4:36:13 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: MNJohnnie
Well, that's good to hear.
Everything will work itself out and everyone will be exceedingly pleased with the results (even though we don't know the details yet).
Right?
54 posted on 09/21/2006 4:39:32 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: michigander
"Everything will work itself out and everyone will be exceedingly pleased with the results."

Because Rush also said Susan Collins talks like a Miss America contestant- after imitating her:)

55 posted on 09/21/2006 4:43:38 PM PDT by BobS
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To: Inge_CAV

Those of us who were on FR six years ago, have known that for a very long time. But yes, that post was a poke in the eye reminder. :-)


56 posted on 09/21/2006 4:44:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: BobS

There ya go...


57 posted on 09/21/2006 4:49:13 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: nopardons

The truth gets them every time. : )


58 posted on 09/21/2006 4:51:28 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV

That it does.....LOL


59 posted on 09/21/2006 5:05:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: montag813

Yep, bought and paid for by Al Qaeda, all four of them.


60 posted on 09/21/2006 5:17:17 PM PDT by McGavin999 (McCain-Warner-Graham-Collins bought and paid for by Al Qaeda)
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