Posted on 09/19/2006 1:42:14 AM PDT by LibWhacker
President Bush told a group of radio talk show hosts that the war on terror must be framed in terms of values, not religion.
Coulter found herself in the uncharacteristic position of being upstaged by her introducer, Mike Gallagher. He told the audience he was fresh back from an hour-and-45-minute session which President Bush held in the Oval Office Friday afternoon with him and four other conservative talk show hosts: Atlanta’s Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved. Rush Limbaugh couldn’t make it, he said.
Though he said this session was supposed to be off the record, Gallagher described it at some length, including Bush’s observation to the right-wing radio jocks that the War on Terror has to be about right versus wrong, “because if it’s about Christianity versus Islam, we’ll lose.”
“Remind me never to invite you to an off-the-record session,” Coulter said after his introduction.
Indeed.
Still, if Bush said what Gallagher said he did, he’s right. Islam is, of course, a big piece of the puzzle. But the battle over ideas has to be fought by finding common moral ground, not bashing Islam in general.
It’s no small irony that this was revealed while introducing, Ann “invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity” Coulter.
Whether it is, or is not, is debateable. Debating the issue distracts and detracts from the main job of prosecuting the War. This is merely Bush's attempt to stay 'on topic', not lose focus, and get dragged into esoteric arguments about 'how many angle's can dance on the head of a pin' with idiots and neanderthals, much the same as arguing with Creatiozoids and IDiacs.
wow.....
I gotta tell you- The President is right...
First let me explain what the President actually said..(I know- I was not in the room, and Mike was, but trust me, I was there Saturday night, and I heard the ENTIRE Quote)-
Bush said that we can't make this about Christianity vs Islam, because if it is about Christianity vs Isalm, we will lose.
What is the difference?
It is minor, but what Bush is saying is that if WE, I repeat, IF WE, make it about this, we will lose.
We all know that to the radical Muslims, it is a "holy war" - it is a jihad; to them it is about one religion must rule the globe- THEIRS!
WE must keep this about Freedom, about FREEDOM FOR ALL RELIGIONS. WE must stay focused on FREEDOM, not Christianity is better/truer/more peaceful/the only religion (etc) than Islam.....
The sad thing is that WE have already dropped the ball on this. Right now- any marine, sailor, etc can take the name of Christ in vain, use His name as a swear word, boldly and loudly, etc- this is Free Speech and Christians "offended" by this can just go pound sand....but if the name of Jesus is said out loud in prayer- suddenly you can find yourself in a courtroom...
At the same time- the rules pertaining to the usage of Allah and Mohammed are the opposite! Say the names in honor- you're fine.....but draw a cartoon, or mention the WAY ISLAM is spread, and well......we get calls for assassination, nuns shot, and churches burned.....
President Bush NAILED IT- but you won't hear people debating the truth of it in context--- you will only see the phrase used for ratings and Bush bashing.....and as a tool to try and drive a wedge between our President and his Christian Base......
Bus was well aware that they would run out there and say things....why else even bother having these guys there? New commentators are NEVER "off the record", even the conservatice-minded ones. Bush is obviously well aware of that and was happy to use that to his advantage. I wonder if that's why Rush didn't attend...he wants to be able to talk about President's comments, and a off the record format would put him in a wee bit of a moral conflict, which his fellow talkers seemed to b willing to toss aside. Has Hannity talked much about the President's comments? He was there.
This is the essence of the battle of good vs evil that started the day the Satan fell from God's grace. It is the battle of true Cristianity vs all other ways to God. Satan's choice is to use Islam as that enemy of the One True Way to God. Unfortunately, it is true that we have perverted "Christianity" into a RELIGION so that President Bush's statement ends up being correct.
Well that just another drama queen lie. Pakistan nukes are either artillery or bomber deliverable small yield weapons. That is NOT "advance delivery capabilities"
I'm skeptical that the President would say anything quite so stupid, but in any case, my money is on Christianity.
Actually, Pakistan's Ghuari MRBM has a 1500-2500km range, and the Ghauri III IRBM has a 3500-4000km range. They don't, so far as we know, have ICMBs, to say nothing of ICMBs sufficent to hit the United States, but they're known to be testing a model very similar to the North Korean Taepodong series.
They're a little beyond the artillery delivered stage, and not more than a decade from the point where they could hit pretty much anything.
Our arguement to be good and avoid jihad, to Muslim ears, is clumsy and unconvincing. It's like liberals who feel that it's okay to be Christian and believe in God, so long as you don't go to church and believe in all that Bible stuff.
"It must be understood that we define Moslem, as one who follows the Quran, the life of Mohammed, and the traditions of the community. There are sects called Moslems that do not necessarily abide by these rules. They can be called "cultural Moslems," some of these are Ismailis, Druze, and Sufis. Secular Moslems like many Turks have a Moslem culture but because of Turkey's history and geography have been secularized. Fundamentalists, those that accept the Quran literally, and pattern their lives after Mohammed, as well as follow the traditions of those who have historically lived this way, are a growing threat to all mankind and all democracies of the world."
Five Misconceptions about Islam that could kill Democracy
By Larry Garza
Man I hate making stupid errors!
You are absolutely correct.
Mr. Impetuous was Peter, not Matthew.
Oops.
The hearts and minds of Muslims belong to jihad, and to Allah, as long as they are unconverted.
I'm not sure what you are referring to when you use the phrase "moderate Muslim world".
If there is such a thing, you'll have to point it out.
Oh absolutely it was Peter. I made an error. I hate that ;-)
Values stem from religion!
Mike Gallagher, that pompous jerk who cheered Janet Reno's kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez and sending him back to that island gulag.
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