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An Empire's Epidemic (Justinian Plague)
UCLA ^ | 5-6-2002 | Thomas H Maugh II

Posted on 09/18/2006 4:38:39 PM PDT by blam

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21 posted on 09/18/2006 10:20:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 16, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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22 posted on 09/18/2006 10:23:51 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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23 posted on 09/18/2006 10:30:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: jimfree

LOL...........good book, but not all that realistic.


24 posted on 09/18/2006 10:31:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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I read your profile. You may be your generation's Ann Coulter.


25 posted on 09/19/2006 4:52:49 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: blam
A third pandemic began in China in the late 19th century and spread to North America, where a large reservoir of the disease remains active in animals throughout the Southwest.

Are they referring to the Hanta (Sp?) Virus here?

26 posted on 09/19/2006 6:11:35 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, that "100 million deaths" figure seems like it was plucked out of thin air. I don't think that there is any way to know the population of the Mediterranean region with any degree of certainty during that period.


27 posted on 09/19/2006 6:17:17 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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Are they referring to the Hanta (Sp?) Virus here?

Nope. Bubonic plague. They warn people at Griffith Park in L.A. not to approach wildlife, such as squirrels, because of it.

28 posted on 09/19/2006 6:42:34 AM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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Nope. Bubonic plague.

Wow! I had no idea!

29 posted on 09/19/2006 6:52:14 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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By the middle of the 6th century, the Emperor Justinian had spread his Byzantine Empire around the rim of the Mediterranean and throughout Europe, laying the groundwork for what he hoped would be a long-lived dynasty.

If this sentence could be projected back through time and read to Justinian himself, his response would have been: "Wha?"

Justinian was a Roman Emperor.
30 posted on 09/19/2006 11:29:39 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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By the time Justinian's plague had run its course in AD 590, it had killed as many as 100 million people -- half the population of Europe -- brought trade to a near halt, destroyed an empire and, perhaps, brought on the Dark Ages.

Where's Captain Hyperbole when you need him?
31 posted on 09/19/2006 11:32:28 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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Justinian was a Roman Emperor.

Only by conquest. He assumed the Purple in the Eastern (read: Byzantine) Empire and went on to conquer Rome, which by that time had been in Ostrogoth hands for some 60 years.

I doubt that the Eastern emperors normally thought of themselves as "Roman emperors", since Rome was in the Western empire. I'm not sure how the word "Byzantine" came into vogue to describe the East.

32 posted on 09/19/2006 12:06:29 PM PDT by Physicist
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A cosmic trail with destruction in its wake

by Nick Nuttall
Copyright 1990 Times Newspapers Limited
The Times, May 24, 1990, Thursday

Over the next few weeks the Taurid stream, a procession of vast cosmic rubble and dust that snakes around the Sun and out towards Jupiter, will swing through Earth's orbit for the first of its bi-annual crossings.

Within the stream are probably thousands of bodies including asteroids, mountain-and island-sized boulders, smaller meteoroids, Encke's Comet and assorted fragments of celestial refuse.

The exact number, size and location of objects, however, remains a mystery and according to Dr. Mark Bailey, research Fellow in astronomy at Manchester University, it is likely that for every object which is confirmed, there are nine others that have so far eluded detection.

All that is certain is that the rubble, believed by some astronomers to have been formed by a collision in the asteroid belt of a defunct comet which was captured by the solar system up to 30,000 thousand years ago, will bisect Earth's orbit in late June and again in November.

According to astronomers such as Dr. Victor Clube, of Oxford University's Department of Astrophysics, the coming and goings of the Taurid stream should be a source of concern to politicians, planners and anyone who cherishes life on Earth.

A ''catastrophist'', Dr. Clube is one of many astronomers who are convinced that within this celestial procession lie the seeds of mass destruction an Armageddon of biblical proportions. ''The matter requires urgent attention. It is crucial that everyone is woken up to the danger,'' Dr. Clube says.

The chilling scenario envisaged is of Earth and one of the 46,000mph objects in the Taurid stream colliding during one of the orbital crossings.

Dr. Clube says: ''It is analagous to a nuclear war with a megatonnage of the same order and all the effects of nuclear war with debris from the impact causing sunlight to be blocked causing a Dark Age or Ice Age.''

He has coined the phrase ''Multiple Tunguska Bombardment'' to describe the worst nightmare which, he believes, will eventually happen. Tunguska refers to a Siberian River near which, in June 1908, a 100 yard body from the Taurid stream ploughed into Earth, exploding and devastating an area 25 miles wide with the impact of a 20-megaton bomb.

Fortunately the encounter occured in an unpopulated part of the globe but if the impact had been on London it would have devastated the city, killing millions. The Tunguska event may have been only a chance occurence.

Yet, according to Dr. Clube and Dr. Bill Napier, of the Royal Observatory in Edinburgh, whose book Cosmic Winter is published next month, the history of Earth is littered with subtle evidence that cosmic debris have consistently intervened, often with catastrophic consequences.

One of the most popular theories to explain the sudden demise of the dinosaurs is that, 65 million years ago, a huge asteroid ploughed into the planet, triggering either a nuclear-style winter or huge fires.

This popular theory was given a boost only last week when scientists at the University of Arizona reported the discovery of an apparent 180-mile-wide crash site in the Caribbean of an asteroid six miles wide. They claim this could be linked with the great reptiles' extinction.

Dr. Clube ascribes other events including the Old Testament story of Noah and his Ark to a Dark Age linked with colliding heavenly bodies. He also believes that climatic changes, including fears of present global warming, may have a cosmic component.

There is sufficient evidence, he says, to indicate that collisions happen within centuries and millenniums rather than millions and billions of years, with multiple encounters more likely than sceptics claim.

Dr. Clube emphasizes that predicting when a bombardment may occur is impossible without more scientific evaluation of the Taurid stream.

''We are probably a little safer at the moment because the intersecting orbits are far away. But we are on the inward run and in 500 years we will start getting close again,'' he says.

According to Dr. Clube, the last time that the stream was closest within Earth's orbit was in the first millennium BC, from about 500BC up to 0AD, the time of Christ.

It is vital to overcome complacency about the threat from cosmic debris, he says. This complacency is relatively new, as pagan and ancient civilisations such as the Babylonians were firm believers in the threat of of cosmic destruction. Part of the blame for this complacency rests with the breakup, in 1845, of Comet Biela without any easily visible effect on Earth.

''This rather relaxed attiude to comets, which has persisted to the present day, helped turn 19th century opinion against a prevailing catastrophist view of evolution,'' Dr. Clube says.

''Indeed, the eventual disintegration of Comet Biela into dust made it no longer out of place for biologists and geologists to explain evolution in processes that were non-violent and slow-acting.''

''In short, it became fashionable to assume that the world is safe when in fact multiple Tunguska bombardments, releasing around five-thousand megatons, the equivalent of a full-scale nuclear war, may happen at intervals of about 1,500 years, producing a Dark Age,'' he says.''To suggest the planet is safe is absurd.''

The Oxford astrophysicist is not alone in his views. Similar concerns were echoed last week by the respected American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA).

The institute is calling for studies aimed at defending the Earth from asteroid attack, including the possible redeployment of nuclear weapons to shatter incoming celestial bodies.

The call comes in the wake of thawing East-West relations and what is being claimed as a recent, potentially disastrous near-collision.

Last year, 1989 FC, a cosmic boulder bigger than an aircraft carrier, passed within 400,000 miles of Earth, a mere whisker in astronomical terms, before being noticed by astronomers.

''Such an object could cause a disaster of unprecedented proportions if it had struck. Although the probability is very small, its consequences in terms of the casuality rate could be enormous,'' the institute argues in a paper it released about the problem.

Apart from putting nuclear warheads on standby for intercepting and shattering asteroids, the institute is calling for studies into power units that could attach and divert the celestial boulders away from Earth.

''We have the technology needed to detect and track such an object and possibly to divert if from an impending impact. We would be derelict if we did nothing,'' the institute says.

Dr. Clube is hoping to get access to an infra-red telescope to study the Taurid stream during the November crossover.

In 1983, a satellite revealed what appeared to be dust following Comet Encke, but some scientists, including Dr. Clube, now believe that this contains the single large missing body, perhaps as large as 20 miles wide, shrouded in dust and boulders.

The best chance of detecting the defunct comet might come in 1994 when the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Nasa) is expected to launch the infra-red telescope, ISO.

Dr. Bailey says: ''We are learning more about these objects almost every week. We are realizing that there are quite a large number of fairly large objects, ranging in size from just a few hundred yards to six miles across, which are in Earth's collision orbit.''

Along with Dr. Bailey, Dr. Clube supports the institute's call for improved monitoring. But both British astronomers are concerned at suggestions of shattering incoming asteroids.

They believe that there is the danger that by solving one large threat, it may create scores of smaller ones.

Cosmic Winter by Dr. Victor Clube and Dr. Bill Napier. Published in June by Basil Blackwell (Pounds 16.95). The Origin of Comets by Dr. Mark Bailey, Dr. Victor Clube and Dr. Bill Napier. Pergamon Press.

33 posted on 09/19/2006 12:41:12 PM PDT by blam
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Only by conquest. He assumed the Purple in the Eastern (read: Byzantine) Empire and went on to conquer Rome, which by that time had been in Ostrogoth hands for some 60 years.

No, not at all. Odoacer (the fellow who deposed Romulus Augustulus--the last Western Roman emperor) was officially a "viceroy" in Italy. He apparently sent the imperial regalia back to Constantinople and the Eastern emperor at the time confirmed him as Magister Militum or some such inferior office. Odoacer himself took the title "rex" of Italy, which was seen as inferior the Emperor in Constantinople.

Similarly, when Odoacer had a falling out with Constantinople, the Emperor Zeno sent Theodoric and his Ostrogoths to kick @ss and take names--which Theodoric promptly did. He then assumed the title of "rex" which Odoacer had held and was again, officially the viceroy of the Emperor in Constantinople--to the extent that he issued no laws in his own name without mentioning the emperor first (to my best recollection) and respected the rights of Roman citizens in Italy to live under Roman laws. In reality, he was a king, and there was very little the Emperor could do to keep him under control--short of sending another barbarian army to Italy--until, of course, Justinian and Belisarius came on the scene.

I doubt that the Eastern emperors normally thought of themselves as "Roman emperors", since Rome was in the Western empire. I'm not sure how the word "Byzantine" came into vogue to describe the East.

You bet they did. "Byzantine" is a much later (as in post-Renaissance) formulation. Here's the preamble to Justinian's Institutes (the Laws he enacted during his reign). Decide for yourself what he thought:

PREAMBLE OF THE INSTITUTES OR ELEMENTS OF OUR LORD THE MOST HOLY EMPEROR JUSTINIAN IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

The Emperor Cæsar, Flavius, Justinianus, Alemannicus, Gothicus, Francicus, Germanicus, Anticus, Alanicus, Vandalicus, Africanus, Pious, Happy, Renowned, Victor and Triumpher, ever Augustus, to the Youth desirous of learning the laws.

It is expedient that the Imperial Majesty not only be distinguished by arms, but also be protected by laws, so that government may be justly administered in time of both war and peace, and the Roman Sovereign not only may emerge victorious from battle with the enemy, but also by legitimate measures may defeat the evil designs of wicked men and appear as strict in the administration of justice as triumphant over conquered foes.

(1) This twofold task We have now accomplished, by means of the greatest attention and care, and with the assistance of God. For barbarous nations, subjected to Our authority, acknowledge Our warlike exploits, and Africa, as well as other numerous provinces after so long a period of time have submitted to the Roman domination, and have again become a portion of Our Empire by means of Our conquests through the aid of Celestial Power, and all peoples in fact, are now governed by laws either promulgated or compiled by Us....

If you still have doubts, the full text of Justinian's Code in English may be found here:

http://www.constitution.org/sps/sps.htm
34 posted on 09/19/2006 1:46:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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By the time Justinian's plague had run its course in AD 590, it had killed as many as 100 million people -- half the population of Europe...

This seems unlikely if the entire world population was only 200 million.

35 posted on 09/19/2006 1:55:20 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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The Justinian plague led to the reduction of population in the Byzantine half of the empire, and to its later inability to resist the Persians and later the Moose Limbs.

The Magna Carta was in the 12th century well before the Great Plague. Europe didn't recover from the J-Plague until the time of John, look at population density in the Doomsday book, 1086, and 1345.

36 posted on 09/19/2006 2:12:34 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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From the article linked in post #17:

"Then came pestilence. The Justinian plague, named for a Byzantine emperor, apparently began in central Asia, spread into Egypt, and then swept across Europe. Hundreds of thousands died.

37 posted on 09/19/2006 2:26:41 PM PDT by blam
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The Justinian plague led to the reduction of population in the Byzantine half of the empire, and to its later inability to resist the Persians and later the Moose Limbs.

Actually, it weakened Persia, too. If memory serves, Chosroes I of Persia ended his highly successful campaigns against the Roman Empire in the early 540s and made a long-term peace partly as a result of the plague.

The Romans were actually well able to defend themselves against Persia in the late 6th century. It was only after the civil war early 7th century surrounding the usurpation of Phocas that the Persians were again able to successfully strike into the heart of the Empire, conquering Egypt, Palestine, and much of Syria. But even then, they were driven back and utterly defeated by the Emperor Heraclius in the late 620s. Of course, this effort exhausted both the Romans and Persians, leaving them easy prey for an evil force welling up from the Arabs to the south...
38 posted on 09/20/2006 9:09:56 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
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