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An Empire's Epidemic (Justinian Plague)
UCLA ^ | 5-6-2002 | Thomas H Maugh II

Posted on 09/18/2006 4:38:39 PM PDT by blam

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I've read that the plague in the 14th century lead to the Magna Carta and eventually to our own constitution.

Also, I believe the Justinian Plague was initiated by a comet impact. I will post data supporting that belief as the thread progresses.

1 posted on 09/18/2006 4:38:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Smokin' Joe; LucyT

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 09/18/2006 4:39:26 PM PDT by blam
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One of the "major social issues" arising from the great mortality of the plague "is that it tends to raise the value of labor," Little said. "There are not enough workers around anymore. You can't find servants and, when you do find someone, they tend to charge outrageous amounts."

Mexicans, catching the diseases that Americans don't want to catch.

3 posted on 09/18/2006 4:50:17 PM PDT by glorgau
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"The changes in religious thought and beliefs the long-term effects of Justinian's Plague was the final collapse of the Eastern Roman Empire, the beginning of the Dark Ages in Eastern Europe and ultimately the successful invasion of Islamic forces in 632 AD throughout the Near East and Eastern Europe."

The rise of Islam was opportuned by mass death.

http://www.globalterrorism101.com/JustiniansPlague.html

4 posted on 09/18/2006 4:53:56 PM PDT by pabianice
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A link to your article here:

Terrorism Quarterly (Justinian's Plague)

5 posted on 09/18/2006 4:56:56 PM PDT by blam
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More:

The Hypothetical Effects of a Release of Pneumonic Plague in New York City

"Terrorists release a deadly plague in New York City. In this simulated exercise, terrorists on board a ship from the Middle East, with Liberian registry, are able to successfully and covertly release plague in the form of an aerosol in the New York City Harbor. Three days pass before the first cases of the plague victims beginning reporting to local hospitals and military treatment facilities for care. The intentional release of the plague on a modern metropolitan area would be devastating. Casualties would quickly overwhelm the existing medical system, and initial attempts at quarantine would fail. Panic would ensue, and eventually the world's population, governments and economies maybe impacted. Government and military leaders, reacting to demands of revenge from their populations, would begin military strikes against those countries, correctly or incorrectly assumed responsible for the initial release of the plague. Religious fanaticism would rise as extremists attempt to explain the modern catastrophe as the will of an angered God. The intentional and successful release of the plague by terrorists in a major metropolitan area would significantly alter the existing world society."

6 posted on 09/18/2006 4:58:11 PM PDT by pabianice
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Scientist Unravel A Mystery Of The Dark Ages

Scientists at Cardiff University, UK, believe they have discovered the cause of crop failures and summer frosts some 1,500 years ago a comet colliding with Earth.

The team has been studying evidence from tree rings, which suggests that the Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540 AD, indicating an effect rather like a nuclear winter.

The scientists in the School of Physics and Astronomy believe this was caused by a comet hitting the earth and exploding in the upper atmosphere. The debris from this giant explosion was such that it enveloped the earth in soot and ash, blocking out the sunlight and causing the very cold weather.

This effect is known as a plume and is similar to that which was seen when comet Shoemaker-Levy-9 hit Jupiter in 1995.

Historical references from this period - known as the Dark Ages are sparse, but what records there are, tell of crop failures and summer frosts.

The work was carried out by two Cardiff undergraduate students, Emma Rigby and Mel Symonds, as part of their student project work under the supervision of Dr Derek Ward-Thompson.

Their findings are reported in the February issue of Astronomy and Geophysics, the in-house magazine of the Royal Astronomical Society.

The surprising result of the new work is just how small a comet is needed to cause such dramatic effects. The scientists calculate that a comet not much more than half a kilometre across could cause a global nuclear winter effect. This is significantly smaller than was previously thought.

Dr. Ward-Thompson said: "One of the exciting aspects of this work is that we have re-classified the size of comet that represents a global threat. This work shows that even a comet of only half a kilometre in size could have global consequences. Previously nothing less than a kilometre across was counted as a global threat. If such an event happened again today, then once again a large fraction of the earth's population could face starvation."

The comet impact caused crop failures and wide-spread starvation among the sixth century population. The timing coincides with the Justinian Plague, widely believed to be the first appearance of the Black Death in Europe. It is possible that the plague was so rampant and took hold so quickly because the population was already weakened by starvation.

7 posted on 09/18/2006 5:06:45 PM PDT by blam
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This is useful. I'm doing a report on the Black Plague for school.

Russian experts have long argued that plague is a much more frightening prospect than anthrax.

I'd agree, but if Ebola Zaire ever became airborne, we'd be done for.
8 posted on 09/18/2006 5:07:18 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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"Government and military leaders, reacting to demands of revenge from their populations, would begin military strikes against those countries, correctly or incorrectly assumed responsible for the initial release of the plague. Religious fanaticism would rise as extremists attempt to explain the modern catastrophe as the will of an angered God. The intentional and successful release of the plague by terrorists in a major metropolitan area would significantly alter the existing world society."

Let'er rip! Iran, SA, Pakistan,etc.

9 posted on 09/18/2006 5:09:53 PM PDT by blam
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The rise of Islam was opportuned by mass death.

Which is very appropriate considering who "Allah" really is.
10 posted on 09/18/2006 5:11:10 PM PDT by Tailback
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I've read that the plague in the 14th century lead to the Magna Carta and eventually to our own constitution.

The Magna Carta was signed in 1215.

11 posted on 09/18/2006 5:22:02 PM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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Also, I believe the Justinian Plague was initiated by a comet impact. I will post data supporting that belief as the thread progresses.

Andromeda Strain?

12 posted on 09/18/2006 5:24:18 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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"The Magna Carta was signed in 1215."

Hmmm. That's right. Probably it was an earlier plague then.

13 posted on 09/18/2006 5:24:33 PM PDT by blam
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"Andromeda Strain?"

Nah. It was a 'cosmic winter'. People starved to death and were weakened to any opportune disease around.

BTW, the Dark Ages was a worldwide event...not just Europe as many think.

14 posted on 09/18/2006 5:27:10 PM PDT by blam
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Frankly, the whole thing smacks of more junk science. Someone cherry picking data to support their pet theory, which isn't supported by the entirety of the historical record. It's pretty hard to attribute a 50 year plague to a alleged 5 years of bad crops or cold winters. Rats freeze too.


15 posted on 09/18/2006 5:33:32 PM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined?
16 posted on 09/18/2006 5:46:00 PM PDT by blam
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Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization?
17 posted on 09/18/2006 5:50:21 PM PDT by blam
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540 was a pretty bad year.


18 posted on 09/18/2006 7:46:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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By the time Justinian's plague had run its course in AD 590, it had killed as many as 100 million people -- half the population of Europe -- brought trade to a near halt, destroyed an empire and, perhaps, brought on the Dark Ages. Some historians think that the carnage may also have sounded the death knell for slavery as the high demand for labor freed serfs from their chains. Justinian's plague was a "major cataclysm," says historian Lester K. Little, director of the American Academy in Rome, "but the amount of research that has been done by historians is really minimal."
One quibble I have right now -- the population of Europe at that time probably wasn't anything like 200 million. The population of the whole Roman Empire at its peak was something in excess of 50 million, and that included north Africa, Anatolia, and the Levant.

Will ping when I get home. Work beckons. Work sure has a nerve. ;')
19 posted on 09/18/2006 7:52:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 16, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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"Work sure has a nerve. ;')"

Don't ever let work get in the way of the really important stuff.

20 posted on 09/18/2006 9:14:41 PM PDT by blam
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