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Gurnee off smoke-free bandwagon
Lake County News-Sun ^ | 18 SEP 06 | Jim Newton

Posted on 09/18/2006 8:44:57 AM PDT by sistergoldenhair

It doesn't appear likely that Gurnee is going to get with the Tobacco Free Lake County program anytime soon.

"We're not jumping on the bandwagon," Mayor Kristina Kovarik said.

Kovarick said she views the issue as something that should be dealt with by the private sector, as opposed to being regulated by government.

"Where does it end, the legislation?" she said. "It is a health risk, but people have a choice which restaurants to go to. I'm surprised more private businesses haven't done the right thing."

Kovarick also noted that officials have heard from very few residents in favor of a smoking ban.

(Excerpt) Read more at suburbanchicagonews.com ...


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Gurnee residents Ryan Miller, 22, (left) and Chad Charapata, 30, smoke in the lounge area at Paisans Ristorante in Gurnee.
1 posted on 09/18/2006 8:44:59 AM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: SheLion

Non-conformist ping.


2 posted on 09/18/2006 8:46:30 AM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: sistergoldenhair

Finally, someone with rational opinions.


3 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:09 AM PDT by demsux
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To: sistergoldenhair

I am a non-smoker. And I really don't care to be around cigarette smoke. But if I own a business and I want to allow smokers, that should be entirely up to me.

Put a sign in the window and let the economy work itself out.


4 posted on 09/18/2006 8:56:48 AM PDT by trimom
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To: demsux

Elect this women to President, she understands!


5 posted on 09/18/2006 9:01:11 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: sistergoldenhair

How long will it be before meat is banned in restaurants because some (vegan) employees might be offended? I’m surprised that some sickly little vegetarian working at a slaughterhouse somewhere hasn't gotten it shut down. Leave it to the leftists to put themselves in harm's way, then start blaming others for not removing the source of the harm. A$$holes!


6 posted on 09/18/2006 9:06:49 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I gigged your peace frog.)
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To: sistergoldenhair

This is a joke, right? Politicians don't say stuff like this.

If it's real, she needs to be returned to PC headquarters for reprogramming.


7 posted on 09/18/2006 10:12:07 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: sistergoldenhair
Damijonaitis said he believes the most compelling argument in favor of a ban is "working conditions of staff in (smoking) facilities." He also noted that he and his family don't go to places with smoky atmospheres, but that doesn't mean he would force businesses to adopt a no-smoking policy.

"I'm reluctant to legislate personal belief," he said.

Reluctant? The Founders are twirling.

8 posted on 09/18/2006 10:33:53 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: sistergoldenhair; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; ...

Thanks for the ping!!!


9 posted on 09/18/2006 11:18:15 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: antiRepublicrat; sistergoldenhair
This is a joke, right? Politicians don't say stuff like this.

Politicians don't say what???

10 posted on 09/18/2006 11:20:51 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

This is great!

Lake County sounds like a nice place to visit.


11 posted on 09/18/2006 11:25:01 AM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: SheLion; sistergoldenhair; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; ...

A NON Nanny state, nanny State PING.


Nice for a change!!!!!


12 posted on 09/18/2006 11:33:05 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz; SheLion; All
And my "less-right" political sparring partners respond by posing questions like, "Yeah. But, in today's world, what do we need guns for anyway? And what's the limit on what kind of guns a person should be allowed to own? Should they be allowed to own a tank? How about a SAM launcher?"

I'm never able to answer these kinds of questions to my own satisfaction. I never get that "slam-dunk" feeling when arguing back. Sure, I can go on about the creeping nature of the state unnecessarily taking away the rights of law abiding citizens in a hollow response to a problem (like Dawson) that has nothing to do with them. But, I can't go much further without my own argument sounding weak - even to me. Second Amendment arguments don't have any relevance in Canada. And, as I am a prime example, the argument that there is a need to hunt for you and your family's food is all but gone in the modern world.

Has anyone got a suggestion on how to answer this one better?

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Yes, I do. Concede the point.

"I agree. There is no need in today's world for a citizen to own a gun."

Having come to agreement that "need" is the threshold for a citizen's right to own a firearm, the discussion is ready to move forward.

Announce to your friend that you are ready to accompany them to their home. You will begin with an inspection of the kitchen, and from there, will work your way through their house, tagging each possession you believe they do not need in "today's world".

Don't forget the garage.

There's no logical reason to limit the inspection to possessions that pose a threat as weapons. With the consequences that await society from global warming, and the alarming increase in energy consumption, those homes with a television in every room, two cars in the garage, and appliances of pure convenience - food processors, cappuccino makers - cappuccino makers! - must come under review.

Tagged items will then be removed to a truck and taken to a location for safe disposal.

Explain that only possessions for which you determine there is current need will be allowed to remain - the "greater good" is not open to negotiation. You might point out that this position is perfectly consistent with your friend's determination that there is no "need" to own a firearm. The only thing that has changed is the person doing the determining.

(In addition to those tagged for immediate seizure, items with the potential to become unnecessary in the "today's world" of tomorrow will be recorded in a registry. In that way, future unecessaries may be confiscated more efficiently. Some accommodation may be made for heirlooms and items with sentimental importance - antique automobiles, plasma tv's, recreational vehicles - so long as they are rendered permanently inoperable. Plus, they'll need a permit.)

When you are interrupted - and you will be interrupted - ask your friend this;

If "need" is to be a criteria for the private ownership of property, then what's so damned special about guns? And if the definition of a citizen's "need" is at the perogative of the state, then what's so damned special about yours?

Here are some comments on the article
From Small Dead Animals.....

13 posted on 09/18/2006 11:53:28 AM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: SheLion
Politicians don't say what???

That they shouldn't be legislating something, that they should leave it up to the discretion of the people and the businesses.

This mayor has some sick idea of freedom of the people in her head. She must be dealt with harshly or this disease of the mind may spread. Next thing you know, this could end up being a free country! Horrors!

14 posted on 09/18/2006 11:55:40 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: fanfan
Lake County sounds like a nice place to visit.

Gurnee is surrounded by communities that have passed smoking ordinances. There is a larger movement in Lake County to pressure the surrounding counties to enact similar ordinances.
Gurnee is alone, as far as I can tell.

15 posted on 09/18/2006 12:38:56 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: SheLion

This will be short lived, unfortunately, once the state gets it's hands on the idea of passing a ban.

"If it's the right thing to do, it should be done at the state level, and be done uniformly across the state," he said."

(thanks for the Ping)


16 posted on 09/18/2006 1:02:34 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: facedown
Damijonaitis said he believes the most compelling argument in favor of a ban is "working conditions of staff in (smoking) facilities."

I guess they have forgot the facility is for the comfort of the customers, not the staff.

17 posted on 09/18/2006 1:23:06 PM PDT by beckysueb (KOmmies are really nothing but DUmmies with better PR.)
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To: sistergoldenhair
Gurnee is alone, as far as I can tell.

Well, Gurnee won't stand long. The pressure will get to strong. The antismoking nazis will stop at nothing to get their way.

18 posted on 09/18/2006 1:27:52 PM PDT by beckysueb (KOmmies are really nothing but DUmmies with better PR.)
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To: Gabz; SheLion

I shall enjoy this brief moment of light, before the hordes of locusts shrieking "LEVEL PLAYING FIELD" descend on poor Gurnee.


19 posted on 09/18/2006 1:40:31 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge; Gabz
I shall enjoy this brief moment of light, before the hordes of locusts shrieking "LEVEL PLAYING FIELD" descend on poor Gurnee.

I sure hate that phrase.............level playing field.  Yea, right.

20 posted on 09/18/2006 4:43:00 PM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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