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How Many Divisions Does The NY Times Have? Grey Lady Demands Apology From Pope
New York Times/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 09/16/2006 3:56:54 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: governsleastgovernsbest

It is amazing how Islam has cowed the West. The NYT was among the vast majority of American newspapers that failed to run some examples of the Danish cartoons and engaged in self-censorship. It had no problem running the "Christ in Piss" picture. Islam is being accorded a respect and deference shown no other religion. The reason: fear of reprisal and violence. We are losing this clash of civilizations.


141 posted on 09/16/2006 6:34:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Free speech for me, none for thee - insteresting out the NTY's attitude is similar to that of the Muslims and the Clintons. Now there's a list of acceptable sources for quotations? Double-good-speech anyone? This week's ration of chocolate has been expanded. It's now smaller.


142 posted on 09/16/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: livius

I agree with mariabush, this has been a problem since the time of Abraham. While Islam came later, it served to galvanize the Arabs and reinforce their pre-Islamic culture. It eradicated some of the weaker factors (such as idolatry, polytheism) and brought law, unity and cohesion. It made steel out of the native iron.

As for the Holy Father apologizing---I'm only sorry he wasn't in Infallible Mode when he said it. Then nobody would ever take it back! :)


143 posted on 09/16/2006 6:37:41 AM PDT by Graymatter (TV-free and clean for 3 years, 2 months.)
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To: cibco
"Gee.. We all need more coffee! ;0)"

Small medium or large?



144 posted on 09/16/2006 6:37:53 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

When I say "nice" turn of phrase, what I really mean to say is "elegant."




Now: more coffee.


145 posted on 09/16/2006 6:37:55 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: saveliberty
Hmm. Martin Luther as an elite? John Calvin? Are they elites as they were able to read- yes. Are they elites as they studied theology -yes. But did they control property on behalf of others?

No,no,no. I meant that the elites of the soon to be Protestant countries protected -- or at least refused to prosecute -- Calvin, Luther, and the rest.

146 posted on 09/16/2006 6:38:50 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: saveliberty
My point was that it's not quite as blue as the Eastern part of the state. BTW the town of Amherst -- is there a tax revolt yet?

I'll grant you that. The suburbs are more redish in color, at least some of them anyway, but the city? Fergetaboutit!

Amherst? Well not exactly a revolt but maybe a skirmish of sorts in that they elected an actual reformer in Satish Mohan. He has raised some kackles amoung the smug entrenched elites there for sure, and is trying to at the very least keep things in check. I wish him luck.

147 posted on 09/16/2006 6:39:13 AM PDT by mc5cents
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Dear NY Time ,
Please ask the Muslim clerics to apologize for killinga good friend of mine on 9/11 , Their endless hate speech created the atmosphere that made that horrible day happen.
148 posted on 09/16/2006 6:40:01 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
There is a difference between the Catholic and the Muslim of course. The Catholic is not in the habit of cutting off the heads of journalists who offend Catholicism.

The brave journalist tells the truth. The stinking coward journalist remains silent. The more cowards there are in the world the stronger Islam becomes.
149 posted on 09/16/2006 6:44:29 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: defconw

Are you rushing your way to the pearly gates? ;-)


150 posted on 09/16/2006 6:48:15 AM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: saveliberty
Oh No, not sure that is where I would end up. ;)
151 posted on 09/16/2006 6:49:16 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: Dan Evans
The brave journalist tells the truth. The stinking coward journalist remains silent. The more cowards there are in the world the stronger Islam becomes.

At the beginning of this great documentary on Islam is one of my favorite quotes, if fact it is the first one I quote on my profile page:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
-- Edmumd Burke

152 posted on 09/16/2006 6:51:18 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Coleus

See post #1.


153 posted on 09/16/2006 6:54:24 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: toddlintown
Jesse also said on Fox that most lynchings took place after church. Really?

Since people go to church in the morning, almost everything happens after church.

154 posted on 09/16/2006 6:54:45 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This bears repeating.

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

--Manuel II Palaiologos (Μανουήλ Β' Παλαιολόγος) (1350 - 1425, ruled 1391 - 1425) – son of John V

155 posted on 09/16/2006 6:57:24 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
To prove just how wrong the Pope was about Islam being a religion of violence, protestors in the Palestinian Territories . . . set two churches on fire yesterday.

I saw Peggy Noonan on Cavuto yesterday making that very point. The Pope was merely wanting to make a point and start a dialogue about muslim violence in the name of Allah.

I fear these fanatics have been drinking too much koolaide and are too far gone to ever be reasonable.

156 posted on 09/16/2006 6:57:24 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

"Men are like steel. when they lose their temper, they lose their worth."
- Chuck Norris (1940-)


157 posted on 09/16/2006 6:58:27 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Earthdweller
Pope statement not enough: Muslim Brotherhood .

CAIRO (Reuters) - Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said a Vatican statement on Saturday saying Pope Benedict was sorry for upsetting Muslims with his comments on Islam did not go far enough.

"We want a personal apology (from the Pope). We feel that he has committed a grave error against us and that this mistake will only be removed through a personal apology," Muslim Brotherhood Deputy Leader Mohammed Habib told Reuters.

"Has he presented a personal apology for statements by which he clearly is convinced? No," he said.

158 posted on 09/16/2006 7:00:38 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: cloud8

...are too far gone to ever be reasonable.
Yea , no kidding..The world needs to really get with the fact that these people are way ,way beyond reason . People still think the middle east mind is anything like ours. Theses people are barbarians.


159 posted on 09/16/2006 7:03:27 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: Graymatter

The Arabs were probably the most dysfunctional residents of the ME, surviving as wandering herders and bandits when almost everybody else was settled in cities and engaging in trade. But the more advanced ME societies - many of which were majority Christian, with heavy sprinklings of Jews, btw. - were suffering from a power void left by the fall of Rome and the weakening of Church unity as a result of the Arian and subsequent heresies. In other words, they were vulnerable, and once Mad Mo dreamed up his insane, Arab-centric syncretist cult, it was very easy for his hopped-up bandidos to overrun the cities and kingdoms around him.

I think this has always been Islam's secret: it simply launches itself aggressively, like any barbarian attack that Mohammed's tribe would have launched back in the caravan-attacking days, and more established, civilized societies are so caught off guard that they don't respond until too late. If one thinks of OBL attacking the US, for example, it's almost laughable; the only good thing Maureen Dowd ever said was that it was like waking up and finding that the US had been attacked by Fred Flintstone. But he did it, and I think the sheer primitiveness of it took us by surprise and is also perhaps one of the things that is behind the weakness and confusion of the response of many of our leaders.

I guess Mad Mo found a winning strategy.


160 posted on 09/16/2006 7:05:44 AM PDT by livius
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