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Germans reconsider religion
Christian Science Monitor ^ | September 15, 2006 | Christa Case

Posted on 09/15/2006 5:24:02 PM PDT by Mount Athos

This is the continent where some leading thinkers are talking about a "post-Christian Europe." And this is the country of philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, who infamously quipped, "God is dead."

So some may be surprised at the receptivity in Germany this week to visiting Pope Benedict XVI's message: Europe needs to rethink the thesis that secularism and economic progress go hand in hand. Coincidentally, some of Europe's stalwart secularists are challenging the idea that religious reasoning inevitably retreats from the public sphere as countries modernize.

Germans themselves are modeling a growing acceptance of religion's role in shaping society:

• Head of state Angela Merkel - the daughter of a Protestant minister - this month renewed calls to include a specific reference in the EU constitution to Europe's Christian heritage.

• There are more theologians in the German parliament than in any other Western parliament, including the US Congress. And when the last government cabinet was sworn in, nearly every member - instead of the usual 50 percent - opted for the religious version of the inaugural oath, according to Karsten Voigt, coordinator of German-American relations at the foreign ministry.

• In a recent survey gauging the perceived credibility of different professions, pastors were ranked in the Top 5.

• German students must take either ethics or religion classes, though Berlin recently made ethics compulsory, and religion optional. Mr. Voigt reports that "more and more" high schoolers in the state of Brandenburg are opting for religion too.

• Church attendance is no longer declining, and in one state the number of young churchgoers is going up, says Voigt.

Approximately two thirds of the 82 million citizens are church members. About 26 million are Roman Catholics, and a similar number are Protestants.

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1 posted on 09/15/2006 5:24:02 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
This is the continent where some leading thinkers are talking about a "post-Christian Europe." And this is the country of philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, who infamously quipped, "God is dead."

Inspiring the almost as infamous graffiti rejoinder, "Nietzsche is dead--God."

2 posted on 09/15/2006 5:25:53 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and boy, is He one unhappy camper. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: Mount Athos
Good news for people, bad news for the Muzzies.
3 posted on 09/15/2006 5:31:24 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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To: Mount Athos

Good news.


4 posted on 09/15/2006 5:32:06 PM PDT by 11B40 (times change, people don't)
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To: Mount Athos
I suppose it makes little difference, but understanding Friedrich Nietzsche requires something more than realizing he was an atheist. When he made his famous "God is dead" statement he was using it to indicate that the mass of intellectuals no longer believed in God or divine retribution. God "was dead" in men's hearts and this would result in catastrophic consequences.

From this he predicted a 20th Century of psychopathic, murdering leaders who would cause tragedies not then dreamed of.

He was right and this differentiated him from the usual village atheist that has always existed but is seldom of influence. In a certain sense he was affirming Glaucon's assertion in Plato's Republic that one has difficulty proving a moral life is better than an immoral life; hence, the anything goes as long as we believe the outcome is more important than the means.

5 posted on 09/15/2006 5:38:38 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Mount Athos
German students must take either ethics or religion classes

Ja, das stimmt! (Yes, that's right). I take German in school and I remember my teacher saying something about this.
6 posted on 09/15/2006 5:43:49 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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To: Mount Athos

Germany, home also of Martin Luther.
Where millions of Lutherans could not practice their religion in East Germany for decades and churches were locked up.


7 posted on 09/15/2006 5:44:05 PM PDT by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: NurdlyPeon

Perhaps, but methinks the Germans have found religion only because they're faced with that Thin-skinned, perpetual-grievance Death Cult known as Islam.


8 posted on 09/15/2006 5:45:10 PM PDT by kromike
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To: NurdlyPeon
Good news for people, bad news for the Muzzies.

Good all over in other words.

9 posted on 09/15/2006 5:49:22 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Mount Athos
See? If Christians stand up for their faith, and actually speak about it in strong and assertively positive terms, then people will become interested in it because they will believe it really is something strong that can help them in their own lives.

Mealy mouthed relativism just makes people wander out into the cold. Which, of course, was the original goal of mealy mouthed relativism.

Isn't it in the Bible somewhere that Paul says to some wishy washy converts "Because you are neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."?

Chinese also have a sales expression "When the stuff is good, don't be tongue tied." Strong, uncompromising endorsement of their church and their religion will reignite passion for Christianity.
10 posted on 09/15/2006 5:51:46 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Mount Athos

The biggest obstacle to going to services is the break neck pace of modern society. Come the weekend, all I can do is sleep and catch up work--with a few hours left over for the wife and kids if I'm luck. It's not that I don't want to be religious, its just that I'm so damn tired. I fully expect to get flamed as a result of this post, but its true.


11 posted on 09/15/2006 5:53:24 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: Mount Athos
Are they having a Renascence?

Good for them if they are. Ultimately it will only improve things.
12 posted on 09/15/2006 5:57:32 PM PDT by Red6
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To: EGPWS

Good news for western society, bad news for the radical Left.


13 posted on 09/15/2006 5:57:59 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SoCalPol
Germany, home also of Martin Luther.

And for all the good he did, he was one of the most disgusting and vile Jew haters the world has ever produced.

14 posted on 09/15/2006 6:00:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: rbg81
I don't think you'll get flamed. It's good to discuss what real obstacles people experience and then there can be discussions on how to innovatively work around them.

In your case, perhaps more Interenet-broadcast church services? That way families can sit in the family room, hit the church service without getting dressed up or going far away, then pick up instantly with their short time together for the weekend. Perhaps the service can cooperate by putting the "meat" of the lesson at the front of the service, taking up just 20mins of a family's time for a full dose of good old religion every week?

Maybe someone can start a thread of "worship innovations" to help reposition Christianity for the Information Age?
15 posted on 09/15/2006 6:12:27 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Moonman62

It is absolutely true that Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Semite in his later years; however, in all fairness, he was rabidly anti-anyone who opposed him or any of his beliefs at that point in his life. His hatred of Catholicism far exceeded his hatred of Judaism. What I'm trying to get at is, while he was anti-Semitic in particular, this was just one manifestation of his general xenophobia.


16 posted on 09/15/2006 6:23:50 PM PDT by Ursine_East_Facing_North
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To: Moonman62

haters

I guess you have some of that too.

I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood.
Have Jewish family line.


17 posted on 09/15/2006 6:23:55 PM PDT by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: rbg81

You can go to Holy Spirit Interactive and get the daily Mass readings. Take you just a few minutes to read, a little time for reflection, and you're ready to face the world!


18 posted on 09/15/2006 6:29:44 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Ursine_East_Facing_North

Luther was a Benedictine. He wanted to clean up corruption in the Church, not rip it apart. But things took on a life of their own...


19 posted on 09/15/2006 6:31:17 PM PDT by karnage
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To: starbase

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

Rev 3:14-16

Attributed to Christ (in red-letter editions, this passage is red).


20 posted on 09/15/2006 6:32:06 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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