Posted on 09/14/2006 9:39:19 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
Ancient civilisations in Mexico developed a writing system as early as 2,000 years ago, new evidence suggests.
The discovery in the state of Veracruz of a block inscribed with symbolic shapes has astounded anthropologists.
Researchers tell Science magazine that they consider it to be the oldest example of writing in the New World.
The inscriptions are thought to have been made by the Olmecs, an ancient pre-Columbian people known for creating large statues of heads.
The finding suggests that New World people developed writing some 400 years before their contemporaries in the Western hemisphere.
...... "I think it could be the beginning of a new era of focus on Olmec civilisation," he said.
"It's telling us that these records probably exist and that many remain to be found. If we can decode their content, these earliest voices of Mesoamerican civilisation will speak to us today." Chance find
The slab has been dated to the early first millennium BC. It appears to have been made by the Olmec civilisation of Mesoamerica, a geographical region located between the Sinaloa River valley in northern Mexico and the Gulf of Fonseca south of El Salvador.
I think it's a hugely important and symbolic find Mary Pohl, Florida State University The area, once home to the Aztecs, Mayas and their predecessors, covers much of Mexico, Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, and western Honduras.
The Olmecs appeared on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico around 1,200 BC. They are known to have carved glyphs - a symbolic figure or character that stands for a letter, sound, or word - since around 900 BC, but scholars are divided over whether this can be classified as true writing.
Cascajal (BBC) The stone slab, named the "Cascajal block", was first uncovered by road builders digging up an ancient mound at Cascajal, outside San Lorenzo, in the late 1990s.
It weighs about 12kg (26lbs) and measures 36cm (14in) in length, 21cm (8in) in width and 13cm (5in) in thickness. Its text consists of 62 signs, some of which are repeated up to four times.
Mexican archaeologists Carmen Rodríguez and Ponciano Ortíz were the first to recognise the importance of the find, and it was examined by international archaeologists earlier this year.
Precious object
The team says the text "conforms to all expectations of writing" because of its distinct elements, patterns of sequencing, and consistent reading order.
Commenting on the discovery, Mary Pohl, of Florida State University in Tallahassee, said she believed the authors had made a good case.
The incised text consists of 62 signs, some repeated
More details "I think it's a hugely important and symbolic find," she told the BBC News website. "It's new and further evidence that [the Olmecs] had writing and had text."
The block was carved from precious serpentine rock, suggesting it was probably a holy object used by high orders of society for some kind of ritual activity, she said. The inscription is indecipherable but scientists hope that further excavations at the site could give clues to its content.
"I think more things will be found," said Dr Pohl. "We can make some progress although I don't think we'll ever be able to decipher it completely."
The Sumerians, who lived in Mesopotamia, what is now southern Iraq, are generally regarded to be the first people to develop a form of writing around 5,000 years ago; although there have been even older claims made for Chinese inscriptions.
This is an excerpt, but a long one.
old stuff ping.
Fascinating article. Thank you.
Were their Western contemporaries Vikings and other northern barbarian tribes? Rome definitely had an alphabet.
"The inscription is indecipherable but scientists hope that further excavations at the site could give clues to its content."
I think it says: "Drink more Ovaltine."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1158252265/html/1.stm .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1158252540/html/1.stm .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1158252265/html/1.stm .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1158252540/html/1.stm .
It says, "Wait for the Europeans to tame the northland then INVADE."
Ironically, it was ancient instructions on how to sneak into other countries illegally.
Actually, most Mexicans consider themselves descendants of the Aztecs (or Mexica, hence Mexico). The Aztecs were a recent arrival to jungle America and were from what today is the American desert region. Goes to show migration and displacement of peoples is not something only European-descendees can do and is not new.
Huh? Plenty of ancient civilizations had writing.
Who are they counting/not-counting here? And for what purpose?
Thanks, will add, but alas...
Oldest writing in the New World discovered
NewScientist.com | 14 September 2006 | Jeff Hecht
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No it says Ants from my flower garden get in my ovaltine. Anybody can see that..
"No it says Ants from my flower garden get in my ovaltine. Anybody can see that.."
Huh. I guess I didn't reset my Little Orphan Annie decoder to the new key code.
The block was carved from precious serpentine rock, suggesting it was probably a holy object used by high orders of society for some kind of ritual activity, she said. The inscription is indecipherable but scientists hope that further excavations at the site could give clues to its content.
Probably says the south western part of the U.S. is their Gods gift to them. We all have to move.
Hm...
Civ,where you been lately?Have you been posting,or am I slipping?Like this post though.Hope all is well.
I skipped most of the post-workday sessions this week because I've got stuff to do, and while I didn't actually do it, I got plenty of needed rest (I'm also nursing a cold or allergies or something). Thanks for asking. :')
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