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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Wednesday 09-13-2006
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 09-13-06

Posted on 09/13/2006 9:00:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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The enemy within -- and it's not who you think (David Warren nails Islamofascism's 5th column)

Ottawa Citizen - Canada ^ | September 13, 2006 | David Warren

Posted on 09/13/2006 10:43:18 AM CDT by GMMAC

The enemy within -- and it's not who you think

Ottawa Citizen September 13, 2006

COMMENTARY: DAVID WARREN

Listening to President Bush speak, on Monday's anniversary of 9/11, after a day of distastefully sentimental memorials, my question was not what have we achieved in the last five years, but rather, what have we learned? Bush and Blair -- the captain and vice-captain of Team West in the war against "the terrorists" so far -- are both now in the twilight of their political careers. Both have recently broken with habitual discretion, and made attempts to name the enemy. This has, if anything, added to their unpopularity, for when they mention that the enemy presents himself as Islamic, there are shrill cries not only from radical Muslims, but across the spectrum of the Left in the West.

Mr Bush, much the less eloquent of the two, has now retreated from his use of the term "Islamofascist" -- which as I said in a previous column, is a fairer label than "Islamist" for an enemy that spreads a palampore of traditional Islam, over a stuffing from the Western-bred totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century. As I wrote Aug. 27, from Ahmadinejad to Zawahiri, we hear rhetoric that uses an Islamic vocabulary and crude grammar, but animated with a syntax that owes more to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, than to the Prophet and his traditional interpreters. The term is thus meant to suggest a skewed Islam, an Islam "adapted to our age" by psychopathic men, whose own Islamic learning is purposefully politicized, and aggressively de-spiritualized. Since the alternative would be to say that Ahmadinejad, Zawahiri, et al. do speak legitimately for Islam, I don't see why anyone should object to the term "Islamofascist".

Mr Blair gave an interview worth reading to the Israeli daily, Haaretz, published Monday. The editors present characterized it as "sombre". The British prime minister was still going through the motions of advocating the "peace process", and the "two-state solution" for Israel and Palestine, without (according to me) any real conviction that it could work. It is just something Western politicians do to please the figurative "Arab street", and it does not please anyone, any more. With much more conviction, he said leaders throughout the West have grasped that we are in a truly "global struggle", for which the people of the West are not prepared. The politicians have failed to explain to us how much is at stake, and how much will be lost if we are not resolute in defence of Western values.

For all its uncharacteristic awkwardness, Mr Blair's answer to a question about British home-grown terrorists donged the bell:

"It's not necessarily what have we done wrong, because part of the problem of what you have in Western opinion is that Western opinion always wants to believe that it's our fault and these people want to have a sort of, you know, grievance culture that they visit upon us and say it's our fault. And so we have a young British-born man of Pakistani origin sitting in front of a television screen saying I will go and kill innocent people because of the oppression of Muslims, when he has been brought up in a country that has given him complete religious freedom and full democratic rights and actually a very good job and standard of living. Now, that warped mind has grown out of a global movement based on a perversion of Islam which we have to confront, and we have to confront it globally."

I frankly admire both Bush and Blair, as courageous politicians, with open minds, doing their best within the limits of what is politically possible in their respective spheres. They are both towering figures, in comparison to the little men who oppose them. We won't know what trouble is, until the little men replace them.

I continue optimistic about what can be done, should we summon the will to do it. I have written repeatedly that a robust and unified Western response to "Islamofascism" could fling it quickly onto the trash-heap of history, to join Nasserism and Baathism and other earlier manifestations of Arab nationalism and socialism. Smack it hard, without apology.

My pessimism is founded in the fear that this robust and unified response cannot be mobilized. We have a huge fifth column in the West, and it is not the Muslim immigrants. They become radicalized only because our "victim culture" encourages them to nurture their grievances. Yet most, despite temptation, remain good, decent people, doing their share of the West's work.

Our real enemy is within us, in the immense constituency of the half-educated narcissists pouring from our universities each year -- that glib, smug, liberal, and defeatist "victim culture" itself, that inhabits the academy, our media, our legal establishment, the bureaucratic class. The opinion leaders of our society, who live almost entirely off the avails of taxation, make their livelihoods biting the hands that feed them, and undermining the moral order on which our solidarity depends.


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To: Roccus

Liberal Muslims will think, "Better you than me."


661 posted on 09/13/2006 11:57:54 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Proud member of the radical Christian movement since January 22, 1984!)
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To: Roccus
Radical moslems will kill you. Moderate moslems will just let it happen.

And Democrats will demand your vote!
662 posted on 09/13/2006 11:58:16 AM PDT by ct_libertarian ("Who Is John Galt?" Ayn Rand)
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To: AliVeritas

Heard about it this AM. The Palis get democracy and they elect Hammas. The Iraqis get democracy and they elect leaders who join with Iran. Did anyone truly believe this would play out differently?


663 posted on 09/13/2006 11:59:18 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. (Stolen from FReeper Stallone))
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To: AliVeritas

I'm sure Mark knows about Andy McCarthy's article! ;-)


664 posted on 09/13/2006 11:59:19 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan
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To: MaestroLC
Nancy Grace: 'I do not feel our show is to blame'...

Sorry, Nancy, you are not off the hook for this one. The irresponsible things you do have real world consequences.

665 posted on 09/13/2006 11:59:38 AM PDT by Bahbah (Shalit, Goldwasser and Regev, we are praying for you)
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To: TexasPatriot8

I use Stalinist troglodyte... but that's just me.


666 posted on 09/13/2006 12:00:49 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: Sensei Ern; Ladysmith; sono; MNJohnnie; Clint N. Suhks; eeevil conservative; A.Hun

I had typed up the following off line earlier this morning.This is as good a place as any to put it for your later reading and consideration.

I didn't see it posted but did anyone catch Bret Stephens oped in WSJ entitled The Liberal's War? on September 13?

Stephens quoted from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the "Somali-born, former Dutch parliamentarian whose outspoken opposition to Islamism and to Islam itself forced her repeatedly into hiding and now into exile in the United States"

Ali says (although it pertains to Europeans, certainly translates here, as well)

"They think that by appeasing them, allowing them their own ghettoes, their own Muslim schools, they will win with friendship."

"A second factor, she says, is the superficial confluence between the bugaboos of the Chomskyite left and modern-day Islamism... but the really 'lethal mistake', she says, is "the confusion of Islam, which is a body of ideas, with ethnicity.' ...

"Liberals especially are reluctant to criticize the content of Islam because they fear that it is tantamount to criticizing Muslims as a group, and is therefore almost a species of racism. [Stephens]"


667 posted on 09/13/2006 12:01:02 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: AliVeritas
Unbelievable. Well, I think it was a long time ago (relatively speaking), but didn't the communists say that they would use our freedoms against us? Looks like the new enemy has stolen their play book.
668 posted on 09/13/2006 12:01:14 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: TexasPatriot8

Tapping fingers... waiting on the identity of the gunmen in the Montreal school.


669 posted on 09/13/2006 12:01:37 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: Bahbah

I forgot the show, but I remember clearly the guy who was told someone had a crush on him, and on the show it was revealed the crusher was a guy, who was found dead and it was suspected that the guy who was surprised on TV was the killer.


670 posted on 09/13/2006 12:01:59 PM PDT by Sensei Ern (Proud member of the radical Christian movement since January 22, 1984!)
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To: Sensei Ern

I think that was on Jenny Jones...?


671 posted on 09/13/2006 12:03:39 PM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Forth Century)
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To: MNJohnnie

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672 posted on 09/13/2006 12:03:40 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: MaestroLC

Yes, that was it. I remember thinking, "I would have gone after someone who neglected to inform me that the secret admirer was a guy."


673 posted on 09/13/2006 12:04:48 PM PDT by Sensei Ern (Proud member of the radical Christian movement since January 22, 1984!)
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To: Sensei Ern
As a matter of fact, it was Jenny Jones! Here is the info...

On an episode called "Same-Sex Secret Crushes" taped on March 6, 1995, a gay man named Scott Amedure confessed his love for his car engineer, Jonathan Schmitz. Schmitz reacted with laughter while on the show, but became disturbed by the incident later. He had a history of mental illness and alcohol/drug abuse. Three days after the show's taping, Schmitz killed Amedure. Schmitz was later convicted of second degree murder and received 25-50 years in prison. The episode was never aired.

Amedure's family then sued the producers of The Jenny Jones Show saying they should have known about Schmitz's mental illness history. In interviews, Jones said her producers told Schmitz that his admirer could be a male, but Schmitz maintained they misled him into thinking it would be a woman. While under oath, Jones admitted that the show didn't want Schmitz to know that his admirer was a man. Amedure's family won the initial ruling and the show was ordered to pay them $25 million. The verdict was later overturned by the Michigan appellate court. The case is now studied in law school tort classes because of the legal significance of saying the show's producers were not responsible for guests' safety after they had left the studio.

The show's ratings declined in the years after the case and was cancelled in 2002.

674 posted on 09/13/2006 12:05:01 PM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Forth Century)
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To: AliVeritas

Perhaps this and other related artices deserve their own thread.


675 posted on 09/13/2006 12:07:46 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: bwteim

WOW!

GREAT POST!!!!

Thanks!


676 posted on 09/13/2006 12:09:56 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (JOHN BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: Yehuda

Hey there, missed you. Council of President's site has the flyer for the 20th. See you on the boards.


677 posted on 09/13/2006 12:12:42 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: MNJohnnie; All

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678 posted on 09/13/2006 12:16:40 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: Roccus

Stolen Tagline... thanks.


679 posted on 09/13/2006 12:19:02 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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To: MaestroLC

My goodness. Sheesh.


680 posted on 09/13/2006 12:20:11 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Libs, your choice... the .380 or Glock? This is not a game, and I have bail money.)
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