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When Big Brother Wants Your "Stuff" (FL Socialists Trample On Property Rights Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 09/12/06 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/12/2006 1:56:42 AM PDT by goldstategop

The city of Cooper City, Fla., has given itself the power to seize residents' personal property in times of emergency.

Officials deemed this new law necessary because of what is expected to be a busy hurricane season.

But don't worry, they say. The law would never be enforced unless there were no other options – presumably meaning that the city could not persuade private citizens to permit the government to borrow, rent or buy their equipment.

Think of it as eminent domain for generators, power tools, trucks and anything else local czars determine they need.

Not surprisingly, this plan has met with some resistance.

''These people, with their mindset, should be arrested and put in jail for even attempting to do something like this,'' said Tim Wilder, a mobile mechanic who owns emergency tools and equipment.

While Commissioner Elliot Kleiman acknowledged that such a law is subject to abuse, he explained, ''but it's not going to happen here.''

Wouldn't that make you feel better?

You see, tyrants and dictators always believe they will be benevolent – that they would do the right thing in all circumstances. Few people run for office or seek power believing they cannot be trusted. They almost all trust themselves.

However, if we could trust people in power, we wouldn't need the safeguards we have in America to keep them in check, to limit their authority, to restrict their actions, to maintain the rule of law rather than the rule of men.

What's happening in Cooper City is not unusual. Unfortunately it is happening all over the country. It's happening in local governments. It's happening n state governments. And it's happening at the federal level.

That's why this is worth talking about – worth thinking about, worth praying about and worth fighting with all of our American resolve for independence and liberty and individual freedom.

It's easy for government to respect civil rights in the best of times. The challenge is for government to respect them in the worst of times. And few rights are as foundational as property rights.

That's why I agree with Mr. Wilder. That's the theory behind our rights. But what about the pragmatic implications of seizure laws like this? Are they really effective? Or are they, in fact, counterproductive to saving lives and property in times of emergency?

Think about this.

The best emergency scenario is that people themselves are prepared. Even the most well-equipped, efficient, resourceful and powerful government in the world can't take care of everyone's needs in an emergency.

Does a law like the one approved in Cooper City encourage people to prepare for emergencies? Or does it discourage them?

Most of the adamant objections to the law come from people who are prepared – people who make preparedness a way of life, people who even make a living investing in and operating emergency equipment.

Are these not the very people we need during times of emergency? Isn't it better to encourage people to do just what these folks are doing? Isn't it better for all concerned if we don't discourage people from making those investments and maintaining those businesses? Would any city or state want to drive these people out of their jurisdictions by raising fears of confiscation of their property and livelihoods?

Furthermore, why would other private citizens knowingly invest their own dollars and cents in preparing when city officials are giving them the impression that their neighbor's equipment will be seized by government to rescue them?

It's just one more example of a law that makes people more dependent on government – never a good idea in times of emergency.

You want to hear the real kicker? The Cooper City law, as with so many others like it, would allow officials to prohibit possession of firearms in times of emergency and close any public gathering place.

There go the First and Second Amendments as well as the Third, Fourth and Fifth in one fell swoop.

Is there any point in owning anything any more? Or, maybe a better question would be: Does anyone, besides government, really own anything any more?


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To: visualops
Confiscated property would be returned within 30 days after an emergency ends.

I guess you have a point there, after all temporary tax increases have always been brought back to normal after the temporary need for finances have been taken care of. /s

121 posted on 09/12/2006 4:09:15 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: visualops
Good citizens step up and help their neighbors and there is no need for laws like these.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!

122 posted on 09/12/2006 4:12:57 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Ben Ficklin
So show me where Ma and Pa Public had their generator confisticated by the state.

"Ma and Pa" had their generator confiscated when the freedom of choice in their way of helping was taken from them.

123 posted on 09/12/2006 4:19:08 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Gabz
Taxaholism,...

The silent killer. ; )

124 posted on 09/12/2006 4:21:26 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS

It is unreal how many so-called "conservatives" support this kind of crapola.


125 posted on 09/12/2006 4:25:50 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz
It is unreal how many so-called "conservatives" support this kind of crapola.

In the last few decades the definition of "Conservative" has been skewed by some with the slow and deliberate taking away of individual worth.

Thus younger conservatives lack a true comprehending of it. This being done by a placement of dependence on government by the black marking of all other choices of helping each other via the demonization of them.

For example:

The Boy Scouts

The Girl Scouts

The Shriners

Multiple religious sects

The Masons

Local community groups such as the Lions Club

Rotary

Anyone one who thinks of home schooling for their children or private schooling for them.

even neighborhood groups which take in funds.

funneling funds directly to causes at hand without a political skimming effect placed upon those fund via politicians is considered taboo.

All being demonized as noneffective without government having a hand in it. (not to regulate but to dictate)

Sorry for the rant Gabz.

126 posted on 09/12/2006 4:52:52 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Ben Ficklin
I recall stories during Katrina about cops who breaking into from new car lots and taking expensive cars. Some of these vehicles were found later in other states. I think this law will go a long way towards encouraging this practice of government officials looting businesses during emergencies.

I wonder how this law will be implemented? Will citizens be given a receipt when their property is taken? What if they aren't there? How do they prove that their property was taken by city officials? Do they have to hire a lawyer and go to court?

In Louisiana, cops were confiscating cars for minor traffic infractions and people were told they would have to pay a few thousand dollars court costs to get their car back.

And when is the "emergency" over? Is the "emergency" over in New Orleans?

This law is unnecessary and is likely to be abused. Good call by WorldNetDaily.
127 posted on 09/12/2006 4:58:03 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Apparently the residents of Cooper City disagree with you. I suppose that compared to someone like you who is enlightened and omniscient, that are just dumb dog turds.
128 posted on 09/12/2006 5:07:11 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Apparently the residents of Cooper City disagree with you.

How do you know that? Have you talked to them? A lot of bad laws have been passed in this country without so much as a whimper from the people.

A law is either good or bad, it doesn't matter what the residents agree with. You don't seem to want to discuss the merits of the law. You just want to heap insults on people who do.

And you talk about the "agenda" of WorldNetDaily. What is your agenda?

129 posted on 09/12/2006 5:23:55 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: EGPWS

No apology needed, my dear.

There is hope though... A young friend of mine, she is the mother of my daughter's best friend, is 20 years my junior. In many ways this young woman makes me look liberal. She totally despises the Nanny State, in all of it's many shapes and forms.

She despises the "system" because of having been forced into through no fault of her own at a relatively young age. She has fought long and hard to get away from it, and finally there is light at the end of the tunnel for her and she swears that NOTHING will ever let her get snared by it again.

As I said, there is hope in the younger generation.


130 posted on 09/12/2006 5:31:17 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Dan Evans
There is a case going through the courts in N.O.,,The Hero
Took/Stole his neighbors bass boat to go rescue people from the flood waters,,200 people,,left the boat with the local police,,,boat got destroyed,,the neighbor is out a
$16,000 boat,,,The Hero won't pay..Police won't pay because
they were "given" the boat by The Hero,,who STOLE the
NEIGHBORS BOAT,,,,,,,,Who should pay for the Boat ????
131 posted on 09/12/2006 5:34:20 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Dan Evans

I'm with you. Lots of laws/ordinances get enacted, even though many are against them.......so for anyone to claim the residents of this particular municipality agree to this is ludicrous.


132 posted on 09/12/2006 5:34:47 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Dan Evans

How do I know that? I read the un-plagerized and un-edited article.


133 posted on 09/12/2006 5:37:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Assuming the reporter interviewed every resident in town and they all agreed that this was a good law (not) why is that an issue? If you write a bad law, it's a bad law. It doesn't matter what an opinion poll says. Why won't you discuss the merits of the law? Are you afraid reason is not on your side?


134 posted on 09/12/2006 5:45:59 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Gabz
She despises the "system" because of having been forced into through no fault of her own at a relatively young age.

IMO, our system is the best system in the world however the corruption of it is very distasteful.

If this thread is true, then corruption is showing it's ugly face via government in a town in Florida.

Kudos to your friend!

135 posted on 09/12/2006 5:56:17 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: SheLion
I hope it isn't that d#mn neighbor across the street again! /snicker
136 posted on 09/12/2006 5:57:39 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Who should pay for the Boat ????

Ms. Katrina.

137 posted on 09/12/2006 5:59:52 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: EGPWS

I agree with you about our system being thebest in the world.......which is why I referred to the "system" ....I'm looking at it in 2 different ways.


138 posted on 09/12/2006 6:01:38 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: EGPWS

That's not my sentence, it's from the article. See my #120.


139 posted on 09/12/2006 6:04:11 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us crikey!)
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To: Dan Evans
Since the state and other cities in the state have a similar law, and, according to the malcontents, it is a terrible law, then there should be numerous examples John Q. Citizen being abused.

Can you point out some examples of the abuse. No, you can't.

140 posted on 09/12/2006 6:09:32 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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