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Brothers hog-tie, burn puppy to death for fun
Veterinarians' Action ^ | 9/11/06

Posted on 09/11/2006 8:19:17 AM PDT by pabianice

Seeking Felony Indictment for Puppy’s Torturous Death

Target: Paul Howard, DA, Fulton County District Attorney

Joshua Molder, age 17, and brother Justin have been accused of Aggravated Cruelty to an animal and two other charges, and are currently jailed without bond. This petition, however, is focused on the Aggravated Cruelty charge.

ATLANTA -- Two Atlanta brothers are in custody at the Fulton County jail charged with the torture death of a five-month old puppy and trashing a local apartment complex. Seventeen-year old Joshua Molder and 18-year old Justin Molder are being held without bond. The Molder brothers stand accused of covering a puppy with paint, hog tying it, trying to set it on fire and when that didn't work, baking the puppy to death in an oven. Inez Marshal is president of the community association at the Englewood Manor Apartments in southeast Atlanta where Joshua and Justin Molder lived. She was called to the rec center the night the brothers were arrested for breaking into the newly remodeled building and trashing it. "They just totally demolished the community center," said Marshal. She said she'll never forget finding the puppy the boys stand accused of torturing and killing. "He was still in the oven; he was tied," said Marshal. "All four feet were tied together, his mouth was duct taped and he was dipped in beige paint," she added. "Not only did they not have an explanation, apparently they went out and bragged about this to other young people in the community, brought them back and showed them their work," said District Attorney Paul Howard. The Moulder brothers are charged with burglary, criminal damage to property and aggravated cruelty to animals.

We ask that the DA of Fulton County, Paul Howard or the attorney assigned to this case, aggressively seek indictment of a felony for this heinous criminal act based on the Anti-Cruelty Statutes of Georgia:

16-12-4. Cruelty to animals c) A person commits the offense of aggravated cruelty to animals when he or she knowingly and maliciously causes death or physical harm to an animal by rendering a part of such animal's body useless or by seriously disfiguring such animal. A person convicted of the offense of aggravated cruelty to animals shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, a fine not to exceed $15,000.00, or both, provided that any person who is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this subsection shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years, a fine not to exceed the amount provided by Code Section 17-10-8, or both.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: animalcruelty; ascpa; demonspawn; hatecrime; hip; hiphop; hiphopcommunity; hiphoplifestyle; hop; psychos; race; racebait; racepimp; racial; sickos; urban
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To: pabianice

Little sociopaths in the making. Their upbringing, or lack thereof, definitely contributed. They are certainly 'old enough' to know better, but are clearly operating under flawed logic, among other issues. Cruelty to animals, as most probably know, is a dangerous symptom on a list of serious psych disorders, sociopathy big on the list, and difficult to treat. Sadly, I have a feeling we haven't heard the last from these brothers, they will only advance their cruelty, and, bad as that is, they can also apparently work together.


221 posted on 09/11/2006 5:53:40 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: pabianice

Oh, and also, just revolting. Difficult to read such a headline. A level of empathy and sensitivity missing in these young men.


222 posted on 09/11/2006 5:54:57 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: New Girl

Among my 'normal' others, I have a rescued Ibizan, myself.

She was beaten with some short stick, probably like a cane, judging by her phobic reactions to common household items.
[possibly a night stick as her former "owners" were New Orleans cops]

She has scars and many hairless areas where she was chased into chain link fences and through glass storms for the "amusement" of watching her freak out.

She is and probably always will be 'not quite right'.

She has, however, made exceptional progress to the point that this poor terrified hound now feels confident enough to bark at anyone she thinks is a threat to "mommy".

She clings to me like flypaper.

When she came her she was utterly broken.
Now, she's just a little emotionally dented in a few places....:)

I honestly don't know what the hell is wrong with people.
Whatever their problem is, I'm grateful to God that I am not similarly afflicted.

If I be seen as irrational, emotional or ridiculous because of how I believe and act, again, I thank God for making me thusly.

I wouldn't want to be any other way.

[and bless you for your work with the rescued dogs...I know how much heartbreak and pain that can involve. I can't number the "hopeless" dogs I've sprung from the local shelter, nursed and resocialized into new happy homes]

Since some seem to be obsessed on the issue of man's "dominion" over "insensate" animals, I'll let God answer that for Himself;

Proverbs 12:10
A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.


[And, for what it's worth, I'm more saddened by what I read here. Those boys are cruel and evil. FReepers are *supposed* to be better than that]


223 posted on 09/11/2006 6:15:33 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: msnimje

You bet! These two are lost already. Don't let em' out to do that to a human. I think I'm gonna be sick.....poor little animal!


224 posted on 09/11/2006 6:17:44 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: fortunecookie
Oh, and also, just revolting. Difficult to read such a headline. A level of empathy and sensitivity missing in these young men.

no souls

and I believe that they are some crimes so vicious that the courts should have some way allow the jury to vote for the death penalty and this is one of them

225 posted on 09/11/2006 6:19:13 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: pabianice

Shoot them. Don't wait. Bad seed. Don't ever let them spawn.


226 posted on 09/11/2006 6:19:44 PM PDT by Prost1 (I get my news at Free Republic!)
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To: mitch5501

The theory that animals don't feel pain like we do was raised.

A fast, easy search brings up just one of many articles to the contrary;

LONDON, April 30 — Anglers take note — British scientists say that after years of debate, they now have proof that fish feel pain. Animal activists are on the warpath after a study released on Wednesday showed how rainbow trout react to pain and discomfort. They condemned fishing as cruel and demanded an end to the sport — but anglers themselves dismissed the study.

THE RESEARCH FOUND that fish have pain receptors in their heads and that subjecting them to noxious substances causes "adverse behavioral and physiological changes."

"This fulfills the criteria for animal pain," said Dr. Lynne Sneddon, who headed the research, published Wednesday by the Royal Society, Britain's national academy of science.

Bee venom or acetic acid was injected into the lips of trout, while control groups of fish were injected with saline solution or merely handled. The trout injected with venom or acid began to show diverse effects including a "rocking" motion — similar to that seen in stressed higher vertebrates — and those injected with acetic acid began rubbing their lips in the gravel of their tank. "These do not appear to be reflex responses," Sneddon said.

The affected fish also took three times longer to resume feeding activity, compared with those in the control groups. The team from the Roslin Institute and the University of Edinburgh found the fish had polymodal nociceptors — receptors that respond to tissue-damaging stimuli — on their heads. It is the first time these receptors have been found in fish. They have similar properties to those found in amphibians, birds and mammals including humans.

Animal activists said the findings showed that fishing is cruel. "We would encourage anglers to lay down their rods. It's ridiculous that in 2003 we are still talking about whether fish feel pain — of course they do," Dawn Carr of the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals told Sky News.

But anglers vowed to keep on enjoying their sport. "It's supposition," said Charles Jardine, director of pro-angling group Gone Fishing. "I don't think the millions of anglers throughout the whole of the world see themselves as cruel individuals."


Disregarding the pontifications of the PETA wanker, the article *is* scientific evidence.

It's certainly been a very revealing night, hasn't it?


227 posted on 09/11/2006 6:23:36 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: Charlespg
no souls and I believe that they are some crimes so vicious that the courts should have some way allow the jury to vote for the death penalty and this is one of them

Yeah, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, they surely make the list. Others try hard to imitate, and succeed.

They certainly do seem soulless and conscience free. I guess ignorance is bliss... Yet, it's sad because they're so young. They haven't jumped to the level of egomaniacal, murderous dictator. But, then, many dictators have animal cruelty as a precursor...

228 posted on 09/11/2006 6:37:17 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Salamander
Since some seem to be obsessed on the issue of man's "dominion" over "insensate" animals, I'll let God answer that for Himself

Your comment reminded me of a great book written by a conservative called "Dominion. A long, but thought-provoking read on morality when it comes to our treatment of animals.

If I be seen as irrational, emotional or ridiculous because of how I believe and act, again, I thank God for making me thusly.

I completely agree with you. And you know what? You can almost always tell who is a decent person from the way they treat and think about animals.

229 posted on 09/11/2006 6:45:04 PM PDT by New Girl
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To: All

Correct me if I’m wrong…

1. The laws of this nation are based (or supposed to be
based) SOLELY on the protection of individual
rights.
2. Only sentient species have rights due to their
conscientious and ability to reason.
3. Non-sentient species do not have rights and the
ability to feel pain is an insufficient reason to be
conferred rights (redundant I know)

Therefore, An action is only illegal if it violates or contributes to the violation of the rights of another.


230 posted on 09/11/2006 6:56:54 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: New Girl

"You can almost always tell who is a decent person from the way they treat and think about animals."

Absolutely.

I've also conversely learned to trust my dog's reactions to people.
More than once they've warned me away from people who later did terrible things.

I will look for that book.
Thanks for tip-off....:)


231 posted on 09/11/2006 7:05:09 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: Raymann

Jesus abundantly addresses the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law.

He's considered a fairly reputable expert, as well.

Just because the *legality* of a particular thing lies within a gray area doesn't mean that it's morally/ethically 'iffy'.

Right is right; wrong is wrong.
Why is that such a problem?


232 posted on 09/11/2006 7:09:09 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: sagar

There is something wrong with their heads. A "light" jail sentence will do nothing. It shouldn't be about rehabilitation with these two, it should be about protecting us from them. Nuts.


233 posted on 09/11/2006 7:11:54 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: TimesDomain

Eating an animal is one thing. Hogtying them, muzzling them, and cooking them in an oven while alive is beyond pail. Plus, two wrongs don't make a right (thinking about lobsters)


234 posted on 09/11/2006 7:13:11 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Raymann

Enjoying the pain and suffering of another animal is a mental disorder. If you call this a mean streak of "youth", you're probably a psycho too...


235 posted on 09/11/2006 7:15:20 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Raymann
so you think there is a constistutinal right to torture puppies and other animals ? hmmm

not even the logic at DU is as warped as that

236 posted on 09/11/2006 7:26:25 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: madison10
"but by any chance were the boys parents brother and sister?"

Take a good look at their photos. They each have a different father. And more than likely, their mother was too high to remember what either of these gents looked like, let alone their names.

237 posted on 09/11/2006 9:05:12 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: sagar
"Well said. If puppies were delicacies in the US, people wouldn't be as outraged with this cruelty. Certainly would not be calling for death to these perps."

More moral relativism.

If we were a society of cannibals, we wouldn't be outraged by cruelty to people either.

But the fact is that we're not cannibals and most of us take a dim view of torturing the weak and the innocent, whether the victims are people or puppies.

I can say with certainty that you and the poster you seem to admire so much have never had a dog who has helped put food on your tables or has put his life at risk or given his life to save yours.

238 posted on 09/11/2006 9:24:48 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

"If we were a society of cannibals, we wouldn't be outraged by cruelty to people either."

Why are you dragging human meat into it? The only absurd reasoning is yours. We are talking about non human animals that are delicacies around the world... like dogs, cats, goats, camels, cows, horses, fish, frogs etc.

"But the fact is that we're not cannibals and most of us take a dim view of torturing the weak and the innocent, whether the victims are people or puppies."

Fish are innocent too... and what about those innocent plant roots that are rich in fiber?


"I can say with certainty that you and the poster you seem to admire so much have never had a dog who has helped put food on your tables or has put his life at risk or given his life to save yours."

First, I grew up with dogs. 5 dogs, in fact. Second, I don't advocate killing dogs. I just don't see why people get all worked up about this...even suggesting death penalty to the perps. Just doesn't make sense to me.


239 posted on 09/11/2006 10:02:37 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar
"I grew up with dogs"

They have my sympathy.

240 posted on 09/11/2006 10:58:18 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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