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Gun groups back Wyo suit (ATF vs. Wyoming, NRA & GOF)
Caspar Star Tribune ^ | September 08, 2006 | BEN NEARY

Posted on 09/08/2006 12:13:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Associated Press

CHEYENNE -- Two national gun rights groups are supporting Wyoming's lawsuit over a federal agency's rejection of a state law that allows people with misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence to petition in state court to regain their right to carry guns.

The National Rifle Association and the Gun Owners Foundation have both filed friend-of-the-court briefs supporting Wyoming's challenge against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Wyoming filed suit in May against the ATF claiming it exceeded its authority by rejecting the state law, which was passed in 2004.

Federal law prohibits people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from owning guns.

Although Wyoming's law allows people to petition to expunge such convictions for purposes of restoring their gun rights, it would still allow the original conviction to count against a person as a previous conviction if he ever got in trouble with the law again. ATF says that means the state law doesn't allow full expunging of a person's record, and that person would still have a conviction with regard to the federal prohibition.

Wyoming Attorney General Pat Crank said Thursday that ATF officials told his office that they wanted the state to take steps to repeal the law and wanted Crank himself to stop approving concealed weapons permits for anyone who had had rights restored under the state law.

Crank said ATF threatened that unless Wyoming complied with the agency's demands, it would instruct all firearms dealers in the state to quit accepting Wyoming concealed weapons permits as proof that a person was eligible to purchase firearms without going through the regular federal background check procedure.

The state itself requires background checks, including fingerprinting, before it issues concealed weapons permits to applicants. Crank's office handles the permitting process for concealed weapons permits.

When Wyoming filed the lawsuit, the ATF agreed not to revoke the ability of Wyoming's nearly 11,000 concealed weapons license-holders to buy guns without going through the federal background check while the litigation was pending. Crank, meanwhile, agreed not to issue concealed weapons permits to anyone who had gone through the state procedure to restore his gun rights while the lawsuit is pending.

Gov. Dave Freudenthal issued a statement on Thursday saying he's pleased that the state has the support of the NRA and the Gun Owners Foundation, based in Washington, D.C.

"I'm heartened that the NRA and the Gun Owners Foundation have joined our efforts to stand up to the heavy-handed tactics of the BATF," Freudenthal said. "BATF's threat to further burden Wyoming citizens who have already invested their own time and effort to qualify for a concealed weapons permit is completely unnecessary."

Attempts to reach Matt Mead, U.S. attorney for Wyoming, or others in his office for comment on the case were unsuccessful on Thursday. Crank said the ATF hasn't yet filed a response brief in the case. U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson is presiding over the case and has scheduled oral arguments for Oct. 6 in Cheyenne.

Crank said his office has issued only one concealed weapons permit to a person who went through the procedures of having rights restored after a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction. He declined to name the person.

"The crux of the dispute is, federal law real clearly says it's our determination," Crank said. "If you look to determine if someone has a firearms disability, you look to state statutes."

Crank said the ATF doesn't like the state law, but said, "That's too bad; that's not their call."

In its brief in support of the state's position, the NRA likewise argues that Wyoming has authority to restore the gun rights of people who have criminal records.

"In short, Wyoming could easily restore the rights of its most violent felons by simple legislative fiat," the NRA brief says.

The Gun Owners Foundation, in its brief, states that ATF has no authority to decide whether Wyoming's concealed weapons permit qualifies as an alternative to the federal background check system for purchasing guns.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: banglist; domesticviolence; misdemeanors; restoration
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House backs no gun permits

Wyoming is looking better and better.

1 posted on 09/08/2006 12:13:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Wyoming is looking better and better.

Low cost of living and no state income tax too. :-)

2 posted on 09/08/2006 12:17:14 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: neverdem

Of course people in cities like Las Vegas don't carry guns anyway.


3 posted on 09/08/2006 12:18:58 PM PDT by Leg Olam ("There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell them." Louis Armstrong)
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To: archy
Porcuping!
4 posted on 09/08/2006 12:19:45 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

the atf is a useless, redundant organization. It should be eliminated, and it's field investigators turned over to the fbi


5 posted on 09/08/2006 12:21:03 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: neverdem
ATF officials told his office that they wanted the state to take steps to repeal the law

For once, just once I'd like to read of an elected state official telling a federal thug to kiss his a$$.

6 posted on 09/08/2006 12:45:27 PM PDT by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: neverdem
Well, you know if the radical feminists didn't make a farce of the courts with their "guilty until proven innocent" domestic violence sham, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
7 posted on 09/08/2006 12:49:41 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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"guilty until proven innocent" domestic violence sham

Didn't this come to pass during the Co-Presidency of the Clinton's?

Undoing the harm of The Clinton's Legacy is going to take a long time!

8 posted on 09/08/2006 1:07:23 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: neverdem

Celebrate FREEDOM! Buy a Gun for 9/11 !!!


9 posted on 09/08/2006 1:36:55 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Jacquerie
For once, just once I'd like to read of an elected state official telling a federal thug to kiss his a$$.

Some of Wyoming's sheriffs have. They are pretty unique in that they retain the same broad powers they had in frontier days.

Most the other rural states have set aside their sheriffs' real power and it is now vested in the county attorneys. Really really sucks.

More rural states need to grow a pair and follow Wyoming's lead on this stuff.
10 posted on 09/08/2006 1:40:44 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: neverdem

Unfortunately, the War on Drugs US Supreme Court decisions have already set precedent on these matters.


11 posted on 09/08/2006 1:49:10 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: neverdem

The ATF has always smacked strongly government overreach and big brother. Like the IRS, they do not care about or respect a citizen's constitutional rights.


12 posted on 09/08/2006 2:03:43 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: neverdem
Wyoming is looking better and better.

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And it sure ain't crowded.

13 posted on 09/08/2006 2:05:44 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Moderate Bumper Sticker: Bush Lied, Terrorists Died!)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Unfortunately, the War on Drugs US Supreme Court decisions have already set precedent on these matters.

However unconstitutionally, re Tenth Amendment, how so?

14 posted on 09/08/2006 2:18:50 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Alcohol
Firearms
Tobacco

Sounds like it should be a store and not a FedGov agency....


15 posted on 09/08/2006 2:24:04 PM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Doomonyou
And it sure ain't crowded.

Between 400,000 and 500,000 population. There are more pronghorn antelope in the state. Really.

16 posted on 09/08/2006 2:27:54 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: joe fonebone
the atf is a useless, redundant organization. It should be eliminated, and it's field investigators turned over to the fbi

"ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms) should be a convenience store, not a government bureau!"

Mark

17 posted on 09/08/2006 2:35:11 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: TChris
There are more pronghorn antelope in the state. Really.

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No Kidding! I saw more of these bugs there last year than people.

18 posted on 09/08/2006 2:44:05 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Moderate Bumper Sticker: Bush Lied, Terrorists Died!)
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To: Jacquerie

"ATF officials told his office that they wanted the state to take steps to repeal the law "

I believe it is unlawful for federal officials to lobby the states.

I cannot ever remember anyone being prosecuted, however.


19 posted on 09/08/2006 3:31:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Doomonyou
But what if there's a scary gun out there somewhere?

When our moron ex-Governor Paris Glendenning tried pushing laws to ban handguns in Maryland the first thing I did was go buy a Glock 23. Then Glock 27 one month later (one gun per month allowed). What handguns? I don't own any handguns?...

20 posted on 09/08/2006 6:37:45 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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