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The Conservative Case for Rudy Giuliani in 2008
Race 4 2008 ^ | August 31, 2006 | Dave G

Posted on 09/02/2006 8:39:06 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable

The Conservative Case for Rudy Giuliani in 2008

John Hawkins of Right Wing News makes the conservative case against Rudy Giuliani for 2008. Hawkins’ piece largely consists of the same old anti-Rudy arguments wrapped in slightly new packaging, focusing a lot on Rudy’s decade-old socially liberal positions on a few cultural issues, as well as his Manhattanite personal life and some nonsense about unelectability (more on that later). As such, I think this is a great opportunity for someone to lay out the conservative case for Rudy in ‘08. And that someone might as well be me.

Giuliani: Pro-growth tax-cutter

Rudy Giuliani has proven, both during his tenure as mayor of New York and through his subsequent rhetoric, that he is a pro-growth Republican in the mold of Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, and Newt Gingrich. As mayor, Giuliani cut city taxes by more than eight billion dollars, reducing the tax burden on New Yorkers by 22%. Giuliani’s low-tax views remain intact. As Race42008 correspondent Kavon noted yesterday, Rudy’s recent visit to Minnesota included an emphasis on achieving economic growth via low taxes and less regulation on the economy. Rockefeller he ain’t; Rudy’s a Reagan Republican.

Rudy: Gingrich-style government reformer

Conservatives who liked Newt’s welfare reform and GWB’s attempt at entitlement reform have an ally in Rudy. As mayor, Giuliani reformed welfare in New York with the same tenacity as the class of ‘94 in Congress. Once again, this ain’t Christie Whitman we’re dealing with; Rudy’s a Newt Republican who also made a serious attempt to take on the teachers’ unions in NYC and fund school choice via charter schools. A President Giuliani means a conservative reformer who will fight for market-based revisions to our age-old bureaucratic messes in Washington.

Rudy Giuliani: Fiscal conservative

As mayor, Rudy Giuliani cut...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; bush; conservative; election; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; giulianiforpresident; goombah; gop; polls; president; republican; rino; rudy; rudyforpresident; rudygiulianiwouldwin; scotus; vote; wrudy
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To: Peisistratus

I am not delusional at all, every national poll shows Rudy beating McCain and Hillary. The Democrats have nobody else.


281 posted on 09/04/2006 6:10:24 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: defconw
"I am not delusional at all, every national poll shows Rudy beating McCain and Hillary. The Democrats have nobody else."

Some choices.
282 posted on 09/04/2006 6:11:43 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus

Rudi is the darling of the "Character Doesn't Matter" wing of the party. Many of the Rudi backers were "outraged" that Clinton was doing Monica in the White House, but don't care that Rudi was doing his slut in Gracy Mansion.

But, I doubt that the party has sunk so low that a pro-abortion, anti-Second Amendment, pro-gay marriage, hack can get the nomination. Rudi will be history before the South Carolina primary.


283 posted on 09/04/2006 6:18:33 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
"Rudi is the darling of the "Character Doesn't Matter" wing of the party."

I do think you've nailed that one.

"Rudi will be history before the South Carolina primary."

Let's hope so.
284 posted on 09/04/2006 6:20:16 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus

"This is what I meant by your missing my point. You conflate possession with use. To you, possession of a gun makes one a murderer, possession of a car that can exceed the speed limit makes one a speeder, and possession of a vagina makes a woman a prostitute."

HUH? Put down trhe whiskey bottle! Where did you ever get that from?

No, possesion does not indicate use, but possession facilitates use. While there are valid reasons for using a gun, there are also plenty that aren't valid.

We all have hammers, screwdrivers, crowbars, baseball bats, automobiles and soup spoons, don't we? And they can all be used as weapons, can't they? Of course they can, but, the difference is that unlike a gun, those tools were intended for (and still retain) other uses that DON'T involve the taking of another's life. A gun has only one purpose, unless you use yours to hang picure frames with.

In that regard, a gun is VASTLY different than a hammer or a crowbar. And simple possession of one without the intent to use it for it's designed purpose (i.e. shooting something or someone) is inextricably linked with poissession; you wouldn't have one unless you intended to use it for it's intended purpose. Otherwise, you wouldf throw it away in the same fashion as one disposes of the other useless junk we all accumulate in our lives. Otherwise, why do you want the gun? Is it some strange fixation or perhaps some form of OCD? I own guns and I have them around for defending my homes, and occasionally shooting skeet or the occasional deer. Otherwise, they have no use. I don't expect to have to repel the Gub'mint stortroopers anytime soon, fighting for the Ol' Homestead to the last round. If the government wants me bad enough, for whatever reason, it could easily lob an artillery round at my house or fly a Tomahawk cruise missile through my bedroom window. My shotgun won't help me at all in that scenario. Chances are, I'll never even know I was targeted before I take the dirt nap.

As for you "Because I want to" routine, check back 20 or 30 posts and see exactly where you posted that and in what context. I'm not going to do it for you. Your assertion was that you should be able to own any gun you want, free of regulation, and that was predicated upon the notion that you have the right to do whatever you feel like, despite what the duly-enacted laws concerning that action or activity have to say about it.

I'm not putting words in your mouth or twisting your intended meaning; it's what you said, plainly. If you meant it in a more philosophical or rhetorical manner, then you should have indicated such.

And really, I would never ever do what I said in that post (I'm not that kind of animal), but it was intended to show you how easily your "because I want to" attitude could be extended to cover just about any range of inhuman behavior and point out the logical fallcies contained within.


285 posted on 09/04/2006 6:21:08 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
"It fits, though. They keep doing the same thing over and over and somehow expect different results. (One definition of stupid, imho)"

Actually, that's a definition for "insane".
286 posted on 09/04/2006 6:21:29 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus
So we know who you don't like, who do you like that's electable?
287 posted on 09/04/2006 6:23:46 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: SUSSA
Unless you are the slut Rudy was "doing" you have no proof that it occurred both have denied it.
288 posted on 09/04/2006 6:26:40 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: Wombat101
"Where did you ever get that from? "

From your posts.

"No, possesion does not indicate use, but possession facilitates use"

Use how?

"While there are valid reasons for using a gun, there are also plenty that aren't valid. "

This has what to do with possession?

"A gun has only one purpose, unless you use yours to hang picure frames with. "

A firearm's purpose it to propel a small piece of lead (with perhaps a cupro-nickel or gilding metal jacket) at speed in a certain direction. Nothing more.

"Is it some strange fixation or perhaps some form of OCD?"

Why do people want anything?

Frankly, I've seen your type. They're called "hoplophobes". You fear what you would do with a gun and project that on others.

"Otherwise, they have no use"

To YOU. Not to me. Not to others. How DARE you appoint yourself judge?

"Your assertion was that you should be able to own any gun you want, free of regulation, and that was predicated upon the notion that you have the right to do whatever you feel like, despite what the duly-enacted laws concerning that action or activity have to say about it."

The 2nd Amendment is clear - and is the highest duly-enacted law of the land on the matter.

"And really, I would never ever do what I said in that post (I'm not that kind of animal), but it was intended to show you how easily your "because I want to" attitude could be extended to cover just about any range of inhuman behavior and point out the logical fallcies contained within."

Again, you conflate a mere possession of a thing with an action against others. The two are worlds apart. I don't see that you have any concept of what a "free country" actually is. You must have lived in New York for quite a while.

I expect a formal apology for your libelous statement against conservatives in your earlier post.
289 posted on 09/04/2006 6:28:37 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: defconw

"who do you like that's electable?"

Who decides someone is "electable"?


290 posted on 09/04/2006 6:29:14 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus

Character? As defined by who? You? I am sure you have never ever made a mistake in your life. It's easy to do if you have hidden under your bed all your life.


291 posted on 09/04/2006 6:30:01 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: Peisistratus
Apparently you think you do. Can't you answer a simple question?
292 posted on 09/04/2006 6:31:46 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: defconw
"Character? As defined by who? You?"

The voters.

"It's easy to do if you have hidden under your bed all your life."

Oh, I've made my share of mistakes. Just not anywhere near as bad as his.
293 posted on 09/04/2006 6:31:58 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: defconw

"Can't you answer a simple question?"

Sure. Jeff Sessions.


294 posted on 09/04/2006 6:32:27 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: Peisistratus

Were you a mouse in his pocket or do you just believe everything you hear?


295 posted on 09/04/2006 6:33:04 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: defconw
Yeah, and Clinton "didn't have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Did you believe Clinton and Monica too?
296 posted on 09/04/2006 6:33:23 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Peisistratus

OK, he's electable. I even like him, only problem is HE'S NOT RUNNING!


297 posted on 09/04/2006 6:33:58 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: defconw
"Were you a mouse in his pocket or do you just believe everything you hear?"

What?
298 posted on 09/04/2006 6:34:08 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
Pro abortion!

Pro partial birth abortion! Pro Gay rights & gay marriage! Unapologetic adulterer!

No Thanks, Rudy.

You did a good job as Mayor of New York, but that does not mean that we need to have him as President of the United States.

299 posted on 09/04/2006 6:34:22 AM PDT by CWW (Elect Reagan Republicans!!!)
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To: defconw

"OK, he's electable. I even like him, only problem is HE'S NOT RUNNING!"

Neither is Rudy.


300 posted on 09/04/2006 6:34:25 AM PDT by Peisistratus (Islam delende est)
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