Posted on 09/02/2006 8:39:06 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable
The Conservative Case for Rudy Giuliani in 2008
John Hawkins of Right Wing News makes the conservative case against Rudy Giuliani for 2008. Hawkins’ piece largely consists of the same old anti-Rudy arguments wrapped in slightly new packaging, focusing a lot on Rudy’s decade-old socially liberal positions on a few cultural issues, as well as his Manhattanite personal life and some nonsense about unelectability (more on that later). As such, I think this is a great opportunity for someone to lay out the conservative case for Rudy in ‘08. And that someone might as well be me.
Giuliani: Pro-growth tax-cutter
Rudy Giuliani has proven, both during his tenure as mayor of New York and through his subsequent rhetoric, that he is a pro-growth Republican in the mold of Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, and Newt Gingrich. As mayor, Giuliani cut city taxes by more than eight billion dollars, reducing the tax burden on New Yorkers by 22%. Giuliani’s low-tax views remain intact. As Race42008 correspondent Kavon noted yesterday, Rudy’s recent visit to Minnesota included an emphasis on achieving economic growth via low taxes and less regulation on the economy. Rockefeller he ain’t; Rudy’s a Reagan Republican.
Rudy: Gingrich-style government reformer
Conservatives who liked Newt’s welfare reform and GWB’s attempt at entitlement reform have an ally in Rudy. As mayor, Giuliani reformed welfare in New York with the same tenacity as the class of ‘94 in Congress. Once again, this ain’t Christie Whitman we’re dealing with; Rudy’s a Newt Republican who also made a serious attempt to take on the teachers’ unions in NYC and fund school choice via charter schools. A President Giuliani means a conservative reformer who will fight for market-based revisions to our age-old bureaucratic messes in Washington.
Rudy Giuliani: Fiscal conservative
As mayor, Rudy Giuliani cut...
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Rudy will do fine for me.
Listen right now the most important issue in the country is protecting the US, and fighting terror. Rudy is the best person for that job. If we are willing to sacrifice splitting up the party, or letting a dem win in 08 we will be putting our life and security at risk. I think that trumps all other issues, but maybe that is because I work in the heart of NYC and I rather stay breathing.
I read fine. But your reading comprehension skills need some a serious upgrade. Sorry to disappoint you, but this debate isn't really about YOU. One throw away line condemning Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans didn't mean to say you had professed to being a conservative. After all, you're a real Republican. A progressive Republican. What we call out in the real world, a liberal Republican. Just like your savior, Rudy Giuliani.
Truth is, this is all about Rudy Giuliani and attempts by some FReepers to cast him as something he is not. Giuliani is not a political conservative, or even a moderate. Giuliani is a life long liberal. So you can calm down, take a deep breath and regroup.
>>>>"Liberal" loon? Hardly. Voted for Reagan (twice), both Bushes (twice).
Honestly, you sound like a liberal loon. Comparing conservatives to, "The Taliban Wing of the Republican party (or, the God, Guns and Gays coalition, as I call them)". That is straight out of the liberal Democrat playbook. In fact, your post at #81 shows disdain for mainstream conservatives who practice traditional American values and oppose abortion on demand. As you spew your venom, "The anti-abortion thing is already overplayed, and many of those who scream the loudest (one way or another) should just quietly return to their padded cells". Nice liberal touch.
So when you say you voted twice each for Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43, I take pause. It turns the idea of you having any credibility whatsoever to speak of, right on its head.
>>>>>What I am is a Republican ....
You maybe a member of the Republican Party, Giuliani is too.
>>>>>My assertion has only been that Giuliani should be considered ...
I considered Giuliani, for a NY minute. Easy decision. If it talks like a liberal, if it governs like a liberal, if it acts like a liberal, its a liberal.
>>>>Thanks for the ready-to-post ton of rhetorical garbage you linked to, which, I guess, is supposed to substitute for actual debate.
Garbage! Rudy in his own words is garbage? Surely you jest. I didn't realize two links equates to a ton of links. And so far, you haven't convinced me you know how to debate and that Giulinai is anything but a liberal Republican.
>>>>As for your "No Thanks" comment, well, I'd apply that to the current crop of "conservatives" in office today:
I never said that the Republican controlled Congress or PresBush are well rounded conservatives. Strange, a NYCity progressive [liberal] Republican, finds it necessary to use conservative talking points to criticize the WashDC status quo.
You're one confused individual.
Not long ago the democrats said the same thing. Now Hillary's a Senator.
Perhaps you can share this video about Rudy (it describes how "evil" Rudy is to actually expect the homeless to try and get a job and become responsible. How terrible for Mayor Rudy to actually try to turn NYC from a city of dependents to a city of a working class people.
Rudy is unacceptable as nominee for POTUS. He is pro-choice, anti-gun, and a nyc girly-man.
This is a conservative party and a conservative forum. That's the difference between you and the vast majoirty of people on this forum. We are conservatives first then republicans second. Conservatism wins every time its tried. Reagan proved it, contract with america proved it. And yes, newt's affairs do bother me too and i'm not voting for him either.
Is locking up criminals "out-liberaling the Democrats"?
Why were the streets filled with Democrats chanting "Giuliani, have you heard?/This is not Johannesberg!"
Huh?
"If Mr. Giuliani is so happy to just sit on his hands and let Mrs. Clinton be his senator, why should any Republican trust that incompetence on the national stage???"
If I recall. Rudy sat out that Senate race because he was being treated for prostate cancer. I think that's a good enough reason to "sit on your hands", don't you?
"A leopard may turn grey but it can't change it's spots even after over 20 years on the national stage."
Please see to it that Mr.McCain learns this little pearl of wisdom, will you?
IMHO, Rudy Guiliani shouldn't be ruled out. Even his strongest conservative critics concede that he's an excellent administrator. And remember, the constituancies & responsibilities for Mayor of New York City are different than those of President of the United States.
I'm not advocating his candidacy, but he is worthy of our serious consideration. This is particularly true if he were to commit to appointing Constitutionalist judges.
"We are conservatives first then republicans second..."
Ah,and there is the crux of the problem!
A conservative, to paraphrase William F. Buckley, is "someone who stands in front of the runaway freight train of progress yelling "STOP!". It is why you are continually disappointed because, unfortunately, you are unable to reconcile progress with your pre-conceived notions of how life should actually work.
There are many points that lend credence to a conservative point of view, particularly when it comes to limiting the power and scope of the federal government, and there are things that just make good,logical sense (cutting spending and taxes). However, conservatism falls flat on it's face when it comes to social issues. These are beyond the purview of government to affect, and this is where I as a republican, get sick and tired of listening to y'all.
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You do not recall it was two elections ago... so I ask again:
If Mr. Giuliani is so happy to just sit on his hands and let Mrs. Clinton CONTINUE to be his senator, why should any Republican trust that incompetence on the national stage???
Mr. Giuliani is perfectly happy with Mrs. Clinton and hasn't lifted a finger to unseat her!
could he at least be pro-choice enough to allow states to decide for themselves? appoint a Janice Rogers Brown or Judge Bork type to the SC? If not even the latter, why should I bother?
the country club republicans and the social conservatives need to stick together or neither will get what they want. regrettably, the country clubbers look more like Lucy with the old football every fall at election time.
There just isnt that much difference for me between a pro-homo pro-abort Repub and and a pro-homo pro-abort Dem, sorry.
But he isn't a republican and he isn't a conservative, and pretending conservatives should love him is terminally clueless.
Wow, telling the truth about how our government has conducted itself over the last six years is now a "talking point"? Think about that concept, Dude, for a minute, then seek help.
Predictable; you rolled out the standard insults of Rocky Repub and liberal repub. I'm surprised I didn't see RINO, Fag-lover, and all the rest of the standard repetoire of the rabid, fur-breasted (my God! He said "breast"! On a conservative forum, no less!), connect-the-dots conservative that listens to Boortz and Rush 14 hours a day. Stop it. Learn some new insults, maybe even ones that make sense.
Two things about your "mainstream conservatives" comment; A) there ain't anymore "real" conservatives these days. If there had been, then the entire litany of complaints (the conservative talking points, as you call them)I posted above would not be necessary. They would not be issues at all if a "real conservative" were in charge. B) What's left that calls itself a "real conservative" these days only does so because "Nazi" has a really bad connotation.
"First of all, I'm waiting for a change concerning his views about abortion."
Change? You mean either a flip-flop or a kow-tow to your pet peeve. You would vote for someone who reversed viewpoint and his principles just to get elected? No wonder John McCain is still around!
Hmm, and what do you suggest he do, Francis? Beat her over the head with a pipewrench? Form a team of commandos, break into the compound in Chappaqua, and assassinate her? Take her to lunch and poison her food? Should he stand at the side of a desert road, covering a pile of ball bearings with bird seed, while holding the lanyard of a canon loaded with a huge harpoon, which is, unfortunately, aimed at his own backside, in true Wile E. Coyote fashion?
And if he does have presidential aspirations, why bother with a Senate seat in New York? The Hildebeest had to take it, Rudy doesn't.
Be serious, Francis.
PS; the "this is a conservatrive forum" reminder, and the "if you don't like it, leave" (unposted, but palpable)spirit in which it was delivered, was typical.
I see; Free speech for those that think like I (you)do, none for anybody else? Is that how a "conservative" principle?
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