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On Mike Pence
Real Clear Politics ^ | 30 August 2006 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 08/30/2006 4:50:28 AM PDT by RKV

The New York Times front page profile on my friend, Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), "Star of the Right Loses His Base at the Border," is really all about the anti-immigration, far-right group led by Tom Tancredo of Colorado to oppose any broad-based immigration reform whatsoever--and to label any proposals for temporary workers, or even Pence's 17 year citizenship path, as "amnesty."

This word "amnesty" is being used to attack absolutely any conceivable immigration compromise. I could go on forever on this subject. I have written several columns on it. But at the end of the day, the Tancredo crowd, which includes Pat Buchanan, just wants border security to keep out immigrants.

They also want to deport all illegal or undocumented immigrants. "Border security" and "deportation" are their watchwords. They manage to completely ignore the economics of the problem, whereby Mexicans seeking higher paying jobs in the U.S. rather than the faltering Mexican economy can produce are coming here to work. After all, living conditions in the U.S. are a lot better for all but the richest people than they are in Mexico.

If we ever deported the 10-15 million undocumented workers, then the U.S. economy would be severely damaged. New studies show the Mexicans actually help the U.S. economy and wages actually rise overall, (though there are small losses in border town wages). Even unskilled American workers benefit from lower priced goods and services generated by these new Mexican worker-immigrants.

Pat Buchanan attacks me as "worshipping at the church of GDP." But in a CNBC Kudlow and Company interview, I reminded him that I also worship at the church of Catholic Mass, as do the vast majority of the Mexican immigrants. These faith-based folks would create a new blue-collar middle class that is sorely needed in this country if we let them.

They would also finance Social Security over the next fifty years. Though it should be noted that academic research shows that 2/3rds of them pay Social Security with phony ID cards and will never receive the benefit as matters now stand. And, of course, they pay the sales tax on whatever purchases they make in stores.

The problem will never be solved unless we legally permit roughly 400,000 per year to fill the demand for U.S. jobs that are currently available. This resembles the Bracero Program and it must be part of any solution. It's just plain common sense that at any given productivity rate, a larger labor force generates more GDP growth to the benefit of the U.S. economy. During the high tide of immigration, over the past twenty years, the U.S. has enjoyed unrivaled prosperity at low unemployment. So, again, I ask, if immigration is so bad, then why are things so good?

Yes, there should be tough border security. Yes, there should be foolproof ID cards, with biometrics, for Social Security and employment purposes. Former Sen. Alan Simpson of Wyoming, the co-author of the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli immigration reform bill, has said the failure of that bill was a function of the lack of an ID card system.

But the intransigence of the Tancredo-Buchanan crowd is a remarkable political event which is all out of kilter with poll after poll that shows a substantial majority of respondents favor broad based immigration reform.

If these guys win, the Republican Party loses, and the nation loses. Unlike the big countries of Western Europe and Japan, the U.S. benefits from immigration that keeps our population rising. (In fact, harking back to the Catholic Mass, roughly 45 million unborn children have been killed since the abortion wave was launched by Roe v. Wade in the early 1970's. We have an opportunity to replace this extraordinary loss of human life with hard headed but compassionate and economically sound immigration reform).

Incidentally, I wrote the article for Human Events when that newspaper awarded Congressman Pence its "2005 Man of the Year" award. I know Mike. The man is a wonderful, Reagan-thinking conservative. His life is governed by religious values, a belief in a strong national defense, and a pro-growth approach to low taxes and less government spending.

This Tancredo-Buchanan backstabbing does this rising GOP star a great disservice. If allowed to go unanswered, it would represent another devastating blow to the Republican Party.

While the Pence-Hutchinson immigration reform idea is not perfect, it does represent a useful discussion point for future action. As diplomatically and kindly as possible, with all the greatest respect for differing points of view, let me just say that the Tancredo-Buchanan attack on Mike Pence is nuttier than a fruitcake.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; elections; immigrantlist; immigration; kudlow; longknives; mikepence; openborderflacks; pence; penceamnesty; unappeasables
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To: RKV; sinkspur

The issue here is that we are winning. Despite a full court press the shamnesty is dead in the water. And I am convinced it is one of the main reasons GW's poll numbers are in the dumpster. More and more local governments are taking the lead on this.


61 posted on 08/30/2006 6:28:16 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: sinkspur
MORE ASSIMILATION:


62 posted on 08/30/2006 6:30:17 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Gipper08
The illegals are the snakes, and you are the joke:


63 posted on 08/30/2006 6:32:32 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Gipper08; JSDude1; Miss Marple

I take back what I said about Mike Pence being squishy on other issues. He is a good conservative EXCEPT on illegal immigration. His "plan" is awful and deceptive to the unwary. His plan allows guest workers to bring in family and the only illegals available for it are those from Latino nations who have CAFTA/NAFTA treaties with us. What happens to the other illegals and what happens to the illegal aliens who enter after the Pence plan is put into effect? THEY SURE AS HECK WON'T BE DEPORTED


64 posted on 08/30/2006 6:32:34 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: RKV
Hard to Make Sense of Pence Guest-Worker Plan
65 posted on 08/30/2006 6:35:21 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

What a joke. These "indigenous" clowns have blood from tribes that never lived in the area of today's USA plus they have plenty of Spanish blood in them. They are Mestizos, not Indians

66 posted on 08/30/2006 6:35:41 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: sinkspur

"You are not going to deport 12 million people."

They will self deport once current employment laws are enforced. But then you already know that. :)


67 posted on 08/30/2006 6:44:12 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

BINGO BUMP!


68 posted on 08/30/2006 6:49:33 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: RKV

We need CEOs and personnel managers doing hard time, and corporate fines of a significant percentage of gross revenue, for hiring illegals.

While technology will not SOLVE the problem, it certainly can be a large part of the solution. Centralized employment verification via SSN/TIN, matched against name, birthdate, previous employer, and (for aliens) status, would trigger an attrition process that would reduce the problem to a manageable size within a couple of years.

And we don't have to re-invent the wheel, just expand a pilot program already in operation.

ANY credential can be counterfeited, so a central database is the only workable solution. A limited availability, optional program already exists that could be expanded and made mandatory, called the "basic pilot" part of the "Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE)" Program - http://www.uscis.gov/text/services/SAVE.htm .

This is a program to provide verification of employment eligibility documents, that is currently limited and voluntary. It checks and matches the SSN/ITIN, name, birthdate, and sex, and verifies the valid issuance of other documents. It needs to be expanded and made mandatory, to keep employers from excusing themselves from compliance.

It does seem somewhat "big brotherish," but the information is already required by law, collected, and available. You MUST present your SS CARD (not just the number) to be hired, and you must complete an I-9. Employers must report this information quarterly anyway for taxes, so more frequent reporting and reconcilation would not be difficult.

Returning responsibility for verifying documents to the government that issued them will take that responsibility - and the excuse for non-compliance - away from employers.


69 posted on 08/30/2006 6:53:12 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: Hydroshock
Agreed as to the effect on GWB's polls. People sense the inconsistency between the WOT and open borders and don't care for the hypocrisy. We are winning the war of ideas, but the battle on the ground is still in doubt. Illegal entry numbers are down, but I won't call it a victory until the number of illegals in the US goes way down.
70 posted on 08/30/2006 7:02:48 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: MainFrame65

Good points and nicely said.


71 posted on 08/30/2006 7:03:31 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: dennisw

they will not be able to get a job and catch and release will end.


72 posted on 08/30/2006 7:07:37 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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To: RKV

I agre we are winning, but there is still a lot of fighting to do.


73 posted on 08/30/2006 7:08:41 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: RKV
Kudlow (who I otherwise tend to agree with) joins the inside the beltway crowd favoring more illegal immigration and (sh)amnesty.

I wonder what his price was?

74 posted on 08/30/2006 7:13:15 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: WhiteGuy

He'll get some more tv appearances and get invited to the right sort of parties.


75 posted on 08/30/2006 8:03:09 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

He'll get some more tv appearances and get invited to the right sort of parties.


Of course, I'd bet he got a nice check too.


76 posted on 08/30/2006 8:06:11 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


77 posted on 08/30/2006 8:49:06 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: sinkspur
Why not? That's the law! And they aren't entitled to profit from their crime anymore than a drug dealer or burglar - therefore sale of their autos and effects may exceed deportation costs producing a net fiscal gain for our economy.
78 posted on 08/30/2006 9:19:56 AM PDT by Doctor Phogg
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To: Doctor Phogg

Demand for legal low wage workers would increase the cost (price) of labor at the bottom end of the wage scale. High school kids who now can't get a job would be in high demand, as would low skill citizens as in the inner cities. Tax receipts would go up, welfare case load goes down, and the money earned would stay in the US. Win - win as far as I can tell.


79 posted on 08/30/2006 9:24:31 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: sinkspur
As for Pence, the Pence-Hutchison plan is the ONLY plan that will pass both Houses of Congress.

Plans don't pass the House or the Senate, only Bills do. As of yet, there is no bill. Apparently Pence has not figured out how to use his pen!

80 posted on 08/30/2006 11:00:04 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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