[Nachum]

The only problem this is that the illegals here want us under their rule too. They want to keep speaking Spanish and think of the southwest US as part of Mexico.

Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah. It never ends. The difference between the US and Europe is that our country's history is to tolerate this nonsense for only so long before the federal government comes in with troops. Heck, even the L.A.P.D. here in California opened up with rubber bullets on a La Raza riot last year. The Muslims are the minority and not yet the problem that the flood of illegals from Mexico have become. In one estimate, we have absorbed up to 10% of their population already.

I can't really worry about losing our country to Muslims. Not yet anyway. Not with 10's of millions of Mexicans coming into our country over the last decade.

[Bigg Red]

I can't really worry about losing our country to Muslims.

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Oh, yeah? How about the ones in suicide vests?

[truth_seeker]

"Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah."

How so?

[Vigilanteman]

Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah.

Not so sure I can agree with that assessment. They named their first Territorial Capitol Fillmore and the County Millard in honor of the first U.S. President they felt treated them fairly.

Applications for statehood were consistently rejected even as terrirtories which were settled much later (Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, the Dakotas) were welcomed as new states.

While Wyoming terrirory's extension of the voting franchise to women was accepted, the federal government blocked the Utah legislature's bill to follow suit as a plot to beef up the number of Mormon voters.

It was six long years after the polygamy thing went away that Utah's application for statehood was finally approved, roughly 50 years after the first settlers arrived.

[backtothestreets]

I'm not Mormon, nor do, or have I ever lived in Utah, but I've no problem with Utah being a Mormon state.

Until the Taft led Supreme Court ruling of 1925 extended the First Amendment religion clause to encompass states, not just Congress as written, many states had official religions, as they had since the founding of the country.

Had that ruling not been made, it is likely we would still have prayer in public schools today, religious displays would be allowed in courthouses and on public property, and other religions would not be beating us over the head with their religions.

[zimdog]

Even the Mormans want a little fiefdom in Utah.

They have a little fiefdom in Utah. Since the 19th century.

[foghornleghorn]

Ah, but the problem is that the Mexicans are like us in many ways. They assimilate quickly. They value our freedom, our reward for effort, our religious values (where they still exist). The Muslims are not like us at all. I will take 10 million Mexicans over 1 million Muslims any time. Although I would rather take none of them.