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To: Jeff Head; veronica
We differ Jeff. I risk my neck in what I do fairly regularly. As I study the word I'm learning that the one thing in this battle with Satan we don't want to be telling our enemy is that our faith isn't worth our lives.

Just from a logical perspective, it is the Islamists's belief that we don't stand for anything that gives radical Islam its energy and its conviction in its ultimate triumph. So with this forced "conversion" how many Muzzies will be shown that tape. Given the grinding realities of their lives, what will their conclusions be? How many more in the West will now die because they see how weak we really are?

This war is far more than a fight on a battlefield; it is a spiritual war. If we don't learn that soon, the price of our consequent waffling will be far higher.

Israel itself would not exist without such conviction. It was the Jews of post-war Europe, who in large numbers were willing to die before being repatriated, that convinced the nations of the world to vote for its creation in the UN. After experiencing the holocaust, they knew what the real stakes are in life. Their progeny have clearly forgotten.

veronica talks about hiding behind a screen while the nation of Israel hides behind nukes fearing "world opinion" too much to use even their conventional power. There would be no eretz Isra'el had her forebears betrayed a similar lack of conviction. Were she actually reading Torah, she would know there would have been no Isra'el in the first place were the followers of Moshe similarly convicted.

We keep talking about this war as if it should be a matter of life and death for civilization. Well?

783 posted on 08/27/2006 7:52:08 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You are making a specious argument. The deaths of two journalists for refusing to make a faux conversion won't win the WOT. In fact the terrosrists show again what savages they are by imposing their will on these two. It's the overall BS about Islam being a "religion of peace" which hampers our ability to win the war.


793 posted on 08/27/2006 7:59:37 AM PDT by veronica (NEW LITERARY AND ARTS JOURNAL offers free advertising for writers, bloggers, artists. FRmail me...)
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To: Carry_Okie
Just from a logical perspective, it is the Islamists's belief that we don't stand for anything that gives radical Islam its energy and its conviction in its ultimate triumph.

Excellent point.

836 posted on 08/27/2006 8:33:52 AM PDT by livius
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To: Carry_Okie
My firend, we are in agreement on what is at stake. We are in agreement that this confession emboldens an abject, mortal, brutal enemy that wants not only to destroy us, byut wants to destroy our faith.

My only point is that a coersed confession is no confession to any rational mind, and that it is for God to judge the eternal welfare of these two men...not us based on something they were forced to say at the point of a gun and on pain of death...however and whatever our inclinations in the same position would be.

Peter denied His Savior three times, after confessing and knowing that He was the Son of God...and I will hazard the guess that his knowledge of his Savior at the time of the denial was much greater than these two men's. Yet, he went on to be a great leader in the Chuirch and a great Apostle for Christ to the end of his days. What the ultimate, eternal welfare of these men's souls is going to be is in God's hands...not ours. I will not judge them based on this coersed statemnent, despite the overriding concerns and danger that their circumstance may generate...that's my only point.

900 posted on 08/27/2006 9:31:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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