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To: Carry_Okie
My firend, we are in agreement on what is at stake. We are in agreement that this confession emboldens an abject, mortal, brutal enemy that wants not only to destroy us, byut wants to destroy our faith.

My only point is that a coersed confession is no confession to any rational mind, and that it is for God to judge the eternal welfare of these two men...not us based on something they were forced to say at the point of a gun and on pain of death...however and whatever our inclinations in the same position would be.

Peter denied His Savior three times, after confessing and knowing that He was the Son of God...and I will hazard the guess that his knowledge of his Savior at the time of the denial was much greater than these two men's. Yet, he went on to be a great leader in the Chuirch and a great Apostle for Christ to the end of his days. What the ultimate, eternal welfare of these men's souls is going to be is in God's hands...not ours. I will not judge them based on this coersed statemnent, despite the overriding concerns and danger that their circumstance may generate...that's my only point.

900 posted on 08/27/2006 9:31:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Peter denied His Savior three times, after confessing and knowing that He was the Son of God...and I will hazard the guess that his knowledge of his Savior at the time of the denial was much greater than these two men's. Yet, he went on to be a great leader in the Chuirch and a great Apostle for Christ to the end of his days.

He died for it too.

I will not judge them based on this coersed statemnent, despite the overriding concerns and danger that their circumstance may generate...that's my only point.

Obviously, it isn't up to us to judge.

My only point is that a coersed confession is no confession to any rational mind,

This isn't about things rational, more about what can be rationalized.

912 posted on 08/27/2006 9:42:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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