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How Modern Were European Neanderthals?
Eureka Alert ^ | 8-25-2006 | Hannah Johnson

Posted on 08/25/2006 12:05:53 PM PDT by blam

Contact: Hannah Johnson
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University of Bristol

How modern were European Neanderthals?

Neandertals were much more like modern humans than had been previously thought, according to a re-examination of finds from one of the most famous palaeolithic sites in Europe by Bristol University archaeologist, Professor Joao Zilhao, and his French colleagues.

Professor Zilhao has been able to show that sophisticated artefacts such as decorated bone points and personal ornaments found in the Châtelperronian culture of France and Spain were genuinely associated with Neandertals around 44,000 years ago, rather than acquired from modern humans who might have been living nearby. His findings are published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) USA.

The site from which this Neandertal culture derives its name is the Grotte de Fées at Châtelperron in Central France, first excavated in the 1840s. It has been one of the most important and controversial places to understand how modern humans that had previously moved out of Africa replaced the Neandertals, often portrayed as more 'primitive'. In the conventional interpretation of the rock strata of the site, the cave was thought to have evidence of both modern human and Neandertal occupation in interleaved layers. The fact that Neandertals came back to the site after modern humans had lived in it for quite some time would prove the long-term contemporaneity of the two groups, and validate the notion that the cultural novelties seen among the latest Neandertals represented immitation or borrowing, not innovation.

Now archaeologists can show that the Grotte des Fées stratigraphic pattern is illusory because the supposedly Neandertal levels overlying those belonging to the modern human Aurignacian culture are in fact backdirt from nineteenth-century fossil hunting. According to Professor Zilhao and his team, this adds to the evidence from other sites in the region that the Neandertals already had the capacity for symbolic thinking before the arrival of the modern humans into western Europe, which has been radiocarbon dated to around 40,000 years ago.

Professor Zilhao said: "This discovery, along with research on the rock strata at other cave sites, has huge implications for how we view the European Neandertals and, more widely, human evolution. The differences between Neandertals and modern humans may be much less than had been previously thought, suggesting that human cognition and symbolic thinking may date back to before the two sub-species split around 400,000 years ago."


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To: RightWhale
My neighbor strangled a moose to death. My other neighbor killed a black bear with an ax.

Sounds like a fun neighborhood. How are housing prices?

21 posted on 08/25/2006 12:43:09 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: blam

I don't know how modern "European Neanderthals" were.However Europe is still made up of neanderthals so call one and ask em !!!


22 posted on 08/25/2006 12:44:11 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Rytwyng

Housing is about the same for the past 40 years. Had a couple, three grizzly bears wander through this summer. Neanderthal would be right at home.


23 posted on 08/25/2006 12:45:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Maceman

I'm surprised I was one of the first to see the headline and hear the one guy saying, "I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa...."


24 posted on 08/25/2006 12:46:18 PM PDT by RichInOC (...somebody was going to say it...why not me?)
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To: KoRn

Europe is still full of them! Some have migrated to our country and we call them Homo Liberalis Erectus.

" . . and we call then Homo liberalis flaccidus. Fixed it.

;-)


25 posted on 08/25/2006 12:47:52 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: blam
All were cretin's from iodine deficient diet.
26 posted on 08/25/2006 12:47:59 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: wbmstr24
"these folks were basically humans like you and me, just a bit bigger.....post flood, living in caves"

So the flood happened 130,000+ years ago? Maybe you are counting the proto-Neanderthals too which would push the date of the flood to 300,000+ years ago.
27 posted on 08/25/2006 12:55:38 PM PDT by ndt
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To: RightWhale
Would a neanderthal drive a Ford or a Chevy pickup truck? A poll says Chevy 5 to 1.

I guess my pickup truck identifies me as a Gro-MagCnon.

28 posted on 08/25/2006 12:57:16 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: RightWhale
"Would a neanderthal drive a Ford or a Chevy pickup truck? A poll says Chevy 5 to 1."

We Cro-Magnons drive Fords.

29 posted on 08/25/2006 12:58:04 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: lovecraft
French Neanderthals.......where to begin, where to begin?

Two words: Gerard Depardieu.

30 posted on 08/25/2006 1:01:09 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Great minds discuss ideas, medium minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.)
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To: Beagle8U

Excellent history lesson!


31 posted on 08/25/2006 1:47:19 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: Maceman

"I cannot believe I am the first to post this pic on this thread after at least 17 responses."

Hey man, I'm just happy to have escaped another Helen Thomas pic thus far!!!


32 posted on 08/25/2006 2:11:08 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (The trouble with muslim immigrants: There can be no integration without inebriation!)
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To: wbmstr24
"if you go by the naturalist dating methodology, you can get any kinda old date ya want or need."

No you can't, the dates are very specific and corrolate very well in many unrelated fields of research.
34 posted on 08/25/2006 6:23:02 PM PDT by ndt
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To: wbmstr24

agree 100%


36 posted on 08/25/2006 8:05:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Maceman

BTW - there is NO evidence that they were covered with body hair, as in your photo. That is the figment of an overactive imagination on the part of artists.


37 posted on 08/25/2006 8:06:55 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: blam

I had a neighbor I swear the bones of his arms were as big as my legs. He had a huge jaw, brow ridge, the works. He was definitely pre-Neanerthal. Nice guy. A carpenter.


40 posted on 08/25/2006 8:38:59 PM PDT by cookcounty
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