Posted on 08/24/2006 10:02:06 AM PDT by presidio9
A U.S. Baptist preacher has publicly defended himself for firing a female Sunday School teacher after more than 50 years on the job because he believes the Bible bans women from teaching men.
Watertown First Baptist Church Pastor Tim LaBouf, also a city council member in Watertown, N.Y., said women could fulfill any role or responsibility they wanted to -- outside the church.
"My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," LaBouf said in a statement on the church Web site (http://www.nnyinfo.com/firstbaptist).
LaBouf and the church board fired Mary Lambert, 81, earlier this month in a letter that cited the scriptural qualifications for Sunday School teachers, Lambert said.
"They quote First Timothy Two, 11-14: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent," Lambert said, reading from the letter.
"I was astonished," she said. "I would not go back and teach as long as this is their thinking."
Watertown is 250 miles northwest of New York City.
William Carlsen, executive minister for American Baptist Churches of New York State, said U.S. Baptist Churches are autonomous and that there would not be many other Baptist Churches that share LaBouf's view.
"A considerable number if not a majority of American Baptist Churches have been quite aggressive in affirming the place of women's leadership roles within the church," Carlsen said.
The board of the Watertown First Baptist Church said in a statement on its Web site that the scripture rules concerning women teaching men in a church setting had only played a small part in Lambert's sacking.
"Christian courtesy motivates us to refrain from making any public accusations against her," the board said.
yup
You may have just answered your own question, but what does a question about proper thread material have specifically to do with politics?
Sounds familiar. Where did I hear that before.
That's funny, ma'am. I have the same problem with my wife. But I just go ahead and put the new roll (role) on after gently reminding her that it's out.
PS: Took a long while to teach her that the end of the roll goes over the top rather than down the back like most women do. ; ^)
Let me rephrase -- it strains credulity to believe that your sole purpose for equating this person with the taliban is to note that they both don't allow women to teach men.
Because that particular subset of the one belief of the taliban is not actually offensive, but is a spirirtually sound doctrine, not entirely unexpected because the roots of most false religions are grounded in the truth, because that's the best way to deceive people, to start with a small kernel of truth but then distort it or use it to mislead them.
Much like you are doing here with your "innocent" factoid "equating" this man to the taliban.
From their "Fifty Crucial Questions", here are questions (and answers) # 2 and #13. More info on this and other gender issues in the church are available on their site. Click on the About Us tab to find out more about this Evangelical organization.
2. What do you mean (in question 1) by "unbiblical female leadership in the church"?
We are persuaded that the Bible teaches that only men should be pastors and elders. That is, men should bear primary responsibility for Christlike leadership and teaching in the church. So it is unbiblical, we believe, and therefore detrimental, for women to assume this role. (See question 13.)
13. In question 2 and question 6, you said that the calling of the man is to bear "primary responsibility" for leadership in the church and the home. What do you mean by "primary"?
We mean that there are levels and kinds of leadership for which women may and often should take responsibility. There are kinds of teaching, administration, organization, ministry, influence, and initiative that wives should undertake at home and women should undertake at church. Male headship at home and eldership at church mean that men bear the responsibility for the overall pattern of life. Headship does not prescribe the details of who does precisely what activity. After the fall, God called Adam to account first (Genesis 3:9). This was not because the woman bore no responsibility for sin, but because the man bore primary responsibility for life in the garden-including sin.
Oh, darned English! What I meant was that women are good at teaching putting, not putting.
My mother; my girls friends, now my wife:
Put that here; don't put that there!
Can't you you learn to put it where it goes (i.e. where she thinks it belongs, not where I want it.)
Always obssessed with putting stuff somewhere it can't be used, or found, or gotten at!
Wow. The difference is that he is not armed. Thanks for reminding us.
I also can't figure out why if this is their interpretation of Scripture, they just now figured it out after the woman's been there 50 years. Maybe this guy just moved in got a new revelation or something.
Nope,
just a lil ole S. GA girl of Austrian decent raised in a super-duper fundy family (did I mention they were twisted and incestuous?) and married at one time to a priest (who had his own issues....but I stayed with him until 'death do us part')
Then I walked away and it was like I stopped crying for the first ime in decades.
Not everyone fits, not every can fit and be themselves.
Ok, I'll back off . . . this thread has taught me that this person is a non-violent preacher with totalitarian impulses. Glad that was settled.
You wear pants, just like Bill Clinton. You are no different than he his.
Good heavens.
Shalom.
"That is precisely what I am doing, and not falsely. What's funny are the resulting "well yeah, but" logical fallacies."
So you admit to being a troll?
>>>The bible is quite clear on the roles of men and women. And unlike the islamo nazi's its not because one is inferior.>>>
Yeah right, suuuurrreeee it isn't.
Good for Pastor LaBouf. I always have a great deal of respect for men who take the scriptures seriously.
Yeah, a troll that has posted 215 threads and 23,177 replies.
"Not everyone fits, not every can fit and be themselves."
Fits what?
Around here, if you want to see evidence of attempting to eradicate religious relics, Christians are on the receiving end, not the giving end.
Shalom.
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