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Vatican Dumps Darwinist-Boosting Astronomer
LifeSite News ^ | August 21, 2006 | Hilary White

Posted on 08/22/2006 9:00:30 AM PDT by NYer

ROME, August 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Jesuit priest-astronomer who vocally opposed the Catholic understanding of God-directed creation, has been removed from his post as head of the Vatican observatory.

Fr. George Coyne has been head of the Vatican observatory for 25 years is an expert in astrophysics with an interest in the interstellar medium, stars with extended atmospheres and Seyfert galaxies. He also appointed himself as an expert in evolutionary biology and theology last summer in an article for the UK’s liberal Catholic magazine, The Tablet.

Fr. Coyne was writing against Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, a principal author of the Catholic catechism, who said that an “unplanned process of random variation and natural selection,” both important parts of evolutionary thinking, are incompatible with Catholic belief in God’s ordering and guiding of creation.

Coyne, retiring after 25 years of service for the Vatican observatory, said, “The classical question as to whether the human being came about by chance, and so has no need of God, or by necessity, and so through the action of a designer God, is no longer valid.”

Schonborn had written in the New York Times that “neo-Darwinian evolution is not compatible with Catholic doctrine.”

Fr. Coyne is being replaced at the Vatican Observatory by Father Funes, 43, a native of Cordoba, Argentina.

Vatican Astronomer Contradicts Cardinal’s Support of Catholic Teaching on Evolution
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/aug/05080901.html

Visit the website of the Vatican Observatory
http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VO.html




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To: orionblamblam
OK - sorry for the lack of clarity. I am open to meaningful thoughts on the subject.

Shalom.

22 posted on 08/22/2006 11:24:14 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ArGee
I am open to meaningful thoughts on the subject.

Good luck.

23 posted on 08/22/2006 11:29:47 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: HayekRocks
The article says that Father Coyne retired after 25 years. This is not surprising. Father Coyne is 73 years old. Why is the headline misleading to the point of being a deliberate falsehood?

Setting aside the headline, I believe the focus was on "darwininsm" more than on his age. At 73, he could have been kept in the position another 2 years at least. There must have been other 'factors' that contributed to the Vatican's decision to replace him.

24 posted on 08/22/2006 11:32:12 AM PDT by NYer
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To: wbmstr24

As far as I can tell, science in general, and evolution in particular, is mute rather than negative about spiritual matters.

It's just that many people who believe evolution have a negative opinion. :)


25 posted on 08/22/2006 11:40:35 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: HayekRocks
Why is the headline misleading to the point of being a deliberate falsehood?

Deliberate falsehood is OK in defense of doctrine. Science will get you the rack.

26 posted on 08/22/2006 11:48:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: wbmstr24
on paper they claim to be neutral, but in reality, that isnt the case.

evolutionism is their 'god' in place of Christ, the one true God.

To a kid with a hammer...
28 posted on 08/22/2006 12:02:45 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: your mind)
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To: NYer
From the Vatican Observatory web page honoring George V. Coyne:

Twenty-five years ago George Coyne took over as director of the Vatican Observatory. Under his leadership, the Specola has flourished, making its mark not only in astronomical research but in educating the next generation of astronomers through the Vatican Observatory Summer Schools (VOSS). Since the first Summer School in 1986, nearly 200 young scientists from 50 nations have graduated from VOSS, an impact that is literally being felt around the world.

It is time that we say "thank you" to George for all he has done for the Vatican Observatory.

Source

Yes, it's obvious he is being tossed out on his ear.

29 posted on 08/22/2006 12:03:29 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: HayekRocks
Why is the headline misleading to the point of being a deliberate falsehood?

Because it's written by someone who believes that it is permitted to lie to the infidel.

30 posted on 08/22/2006 12:06:20 PM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: wbmstr24

Remember, though. Science isn't people, science is a process. An algorithm, if you will, like Newton's method, which is used to approximate the true laws of nature to a higher and higher degree as the number of trials or iterations increases. It can't have an opinion on things outside of its purview any more than any other algorithm.


32 posted on 08/22/2006 12:25:00 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: wideawake
Interesting development. Hopefully it will snowball.

I agree.

From what I understand, non-Theistic evolutionists also reject the notion that this universe was created by some sort of pre-existing situation that we know nothing about (such as the physical laws of a prior universe), since that is sheer speculation and one might as well believe in G-d as to believe the big bang was "caused" by anything. Then one would have to ask where the previous universe came from, and so on, just as they ask where G-d came from. Instead they seem to hold that everything truly did come from absolutely nothing, however much such a concept violates the laws of the resulting reality ("this must have happened, after all, because here we are!"). And this initially meaningless reality began to spontaneously develop "order" of various kinds, including eventually some sort of "moral order," despite being ultimately meaningless.

Weird.

Unfortunately the Vatican moves like molasses.

34 posted on 08/22/2006 1:16:21 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Shofetim veshoterim titen-lekha bekhol she`areykha . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Unfortunately the Vatican moves like molasses.

That's not a bug, it's a feature.

35 posted on 08/22/2006 1:29:28 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: MineralMan; Strategerist
The Vatican rarely "fires" anyone. They reassign them and give them the opportunity to "resign" or "retire" - they are often told a year or more ahead of time that this is going to happen.

Bishops are expected to send a letter to the Vatican announcing their retirement when they turn 75. The Vatican either accepts their letter or sends them a reply asking them not to retire.

Trust me,having your retirement letter accepted means you've been fired.

It's based on a centuries old protocol of politesse and diplomacy.

Coyne is 73 and healthy. It's pretty rare for a priest of that age to leave a job that he enjoys and which is so prestigious while he is still healthy - most priests work until they die or are incapacitated. There are priests teaching in various Catholic universities well into their 90s.

The headline likely contains more truth than fiction.

36 posted on 08/22/2006 1:40:08 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: meandog

did you know Copernicus was a catholic priest?


37 posted on 08/22/2006 4:37:04 PM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: HayekRocks
Why is the headline misleading to the point of being a deliberate falsehood?

It's just an extension of the well established anti-Evo doctrine of using out-of-context quotes, as well as fabricated "quotes," to try to score points. When the truth is inconvenient or not useful to them, they fabricate.

38 posted on 08/22/2006 4:52:59 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: wbmstr24

Creationism.


39 posted on 08/22/2006 5:47:31 PM PDT by mbraynard (I don't even HAVE a mustache!)
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