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Norman Finkelstein's Obscenties (The Dersh On The World's Only Jewish Hitler Lover Alert)
Frontpagemag.com ^ | 08/22/06 | Alan Dershowitz

Posted on 08/22/2006 2:51:23 AM PDT by goldstategop

The level of “academic” discourse on the Middle-East reached a new low—quite a feat considering some of the old lows—when the notorious Jewish anti-Semite and Holocaust-justice denier Norman Finkelstein wrote a screed suggesting that I be targeted “for assassination” because of my views on Israel. The obscene article was accompanied by an obscene cartoon drawn by “Latuff”, a frequent accomplice of Finkelstein. The cartoon portrayed me as masturbating in rapturous joy while viewing images of dead Lebanese civilians on a TV set labeled “Israel peep show,” with a Jewish Star of David prominently featured. The cartoon aptly represents the content of Finkelstein’s piece, which accuses me of being a “moral pervert” who “missed the climactic scene of his little peep show.” He also claims quite absurdly that I “sanction mass murder” and “the extermination of the Lebanese people.” (I’m surprised he hasn’t accused me of kicking of puppy dogs, scowling at little children, and parking in handicapped spaces.)

Finkelstein calls me a Nazi not once, but twice, first saying that I subscribe to “Nazi ideology” and then comparing me to Nazi propagandist Julius Streicher, who was prosecuted at Nuremberg by my mentor Telford Taylor.

The peep-show cartoon was even too extreme for the notorious “Counterpunch,” a Stalinist website that glorifies Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist enemies of the U.S. and Israel. Prior to its decision not to run this particular cartoon, Counterpunch seemed to have no standards, but even for them this one was apparently too much (though they kept in the “peep show” reference that inspired the cartoon).

The article itself is typical Finkelstein. He totally distorts my positions, uses quotes out of context, and simply makes things up. He assumes that his readers will not have read the material he criticizes, because if they did, they would not recognize his characterizations of them. Indeed I challenge any reasonable reader to peruse my writings and then Finkelstein’s characterization of them and decide whether his characterizations are even close to what I actually said.

It was President Bush who once famously said, “I don’t do nuance.” Well at least Finkelstein has that much in common with our President. Any effort by a pro-Israel writer to be reasonable, balanced or nuanced is turned by Finkelstein into a justification for genocide.

Finkelstein himself is a well-known Holocaust minimizer and Holocaust-justice denier. He is beloved by full blown Holocaust deniers. Listen to Ernst Zundel, the notorious Hitler lover and Holocaust denier:

"Some people hate it when I pitch Finkelstein and his ‘Holocaust Industry’ yet one more time - because they know, as I know, that what must be for tactical reasons, ‘Stormin' Norman’ doesn't go all the way and says what he must surely have come to realize in his heart: That the "gassing-of-millions" stories of the so-called Holocaust are just a pot of crock.

[…]

That doesn't mean that Finkelstein isn't exceedingly useful to us and to the Revisionist cause. He is making three-fourths of our argument - and making it effectively. Never fret - the rest of the argument is being made by us, and will topple the lie within our lifetime. We would not be making vast inroads in Europe with our outreach program, were it not for his courageous little booklet, "The Holocaust Industry."

Zundel’s wife and fellow Neo-Nazi, Ingrid Rimland, referred to Finkelstein admiringly as the “Jewish David Irving”—a reference to the well known Holocaust denier and admirer of Hitler. Finkelstein himself admires Irving’s “historical” research.

Finkelstein is also an admirer of Hezbollah, having said that his “chief regret is that I wasn’t even more forceful in publicly defending Hezbollah against terrorist intimidation and attack.”

This academic pornographer, who uses “professor” in his byline even when he is spewing unacademic hate, is now up for tenure at DePaul University, a Catholic school in Chicago that recently fired a teacher named Thomas Klocek for offending Arab students during a discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Finkelstein was fired by several universities at which he previously worked for abusing students who disagreed with his bigoted views. The chairman of one department where he taught said he was fired for “incompetence”, “mental instability” and “abuse” of students with politics different from his own. I wonder whether Finkelstein will submit this “assassination” article as part of his tenure portfolio at DePaul. He certainly should, since it is quite representative of his “scholarship”. If he submits it, will it be accompanied by the masturbation cartoon? It should, because the cartoon too personifies Finkelstein’s academic standards.


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Anti-semitism can be considered political pornography. That's usually what it is - once all the protestations and euphemisms that preface hate of Jews to make it appear reasonable are dropped. Norman Finkelstein, a "professor" at DePaul, achieved notoriety as the world's only Jewish Hitler lover. He is also renowed as an ardent defender of Hamas and Hezbollah. In addition, to a career spending hating and trashing Jews and Israel, Finkelstein's ire has been vented against the Dersh for exposing his unbalanced mind, bigotry and lack of real scholarship. He has gone so low as to issue a death threat against Dersh complete with a cartoon out of Der Sturmer that is so obscene I won't stoop to dignify it by describing it. All you need to know is that its a disgrace an anti-Semite is being considered for tenure at one of our nation's universities. For Norman Finkelstein, so far - there has been no penalty for being an extremist.

( No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

1 posted on 08/22/2006 2:51:26 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

How is Norman Finkelstein an "anti-Semite"? He's not a Holocaust denier by any means; even Dershowitz has to acknowledge this by calling him a "Holocaust-justice denier", whatever that means. From what I've seen, this seems like more of the personal grudge-match that's been going on between Finkelstein and Dershowitz. They're both abrasive assholes.


2 posted on 08/22/2006 2:56:18 AM PDT by billybudd
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To: goldstategop
I know nothing
3 posted on 08/22/2006 2:57:30 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: goldstategop

Maybe if the Depaul thing doesn't work out, Noam Chomsky could hire him on as a research assistant.


4 posted on 08/22/2006 2:57:44 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: goldstategop

They've tangled before. There is no love lost between Dersh and der Finkel Tinkle


5 posted on 08/22/2006 3:14:43 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: billybudd
Finkelstein and Dershowitz. They're both abrasive assholes.

Not really comparable, imho. Dersh shows flashes of intellectual honesty, but usual catches himself in time.

Finkelstein strikes me as a very petty, nasty individual. A natural academic, iow.

6 posted on 08/22/2006 3:15:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: billybudd

A few facts in A.D.'s piece would've been nice...


7 posted on 08/22/2006 3:15:38 AM PDT by notigar
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To: goldstategop

...Normanius Finkelsteinus.


8 posted on 08/22/2006 3:50:09 AM PDT by familyop
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To: billybudd

Dershowitz talks pro-Israel but his heart and effort goes to the leftists who would destroy Israel by benign neglect. He's worse than useless-Dersh is pernicious because he brings cover to those who would abandon Israel. It's like hearing Spielberg talk about how much he loves Israel--so what? Next week he'll make another anti-Israel movie. So Dersh criticizes Finklestein--so what? Next week he'll be raising money for Hillary.


9 posted on 08/22/2006 6:01:16 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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10 posted on 08/22/2006 7:07:19 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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He isn't an anti-Semite? Read for yourself:

"In an earlier book, Finkelstein described the "holocaust industry" as "an extortion racket", a vehicle "to crush any dissent, any criticism of the State of Israel." Jewish leaders were referred to as "gangsters" and "crooks." Eli Wiesel was depicted as "the resident clown for the Holocaust circus." He challenged the authenticity of survivors, "If everyone who claimed to be a survivor is one, my mother used to say 'Who did Hitler kill then?'" (JPost)

Finkelstein is a venomous an anti-Semite, a self-hating Jew who hurls insults and anti-Semitic tirades that he attempts to legitimize with his own "Jewishness".

I suggest that you read some of his writings before making such a silly comment.

11 posted on 08/22/2006 8:50:11 AM PDT by sofaman ("Arik, wake up! Olmert is in a coma!")
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To: sofaman
Duh, I *have* read his writings, that's why I'm questioning the charge. I don't see anything in what you've quoted as anti-Semetic. Why does criticizing *some* Jewish leaders make one anti-Semetic?

Fact is, there *is* an extortion racket going on in regards to providing reparations - screwing over banks and businesses who had *nothing* to do with the Holocaust. And the money is not even going to the actual survivors, it's being used for "education programs" run by the organizations who won the cases.

Why don't you actually read Finkelstein's research (which is supported by Raul Hilberg, probably the most respected Holocaust historian) instead of taking super-liberal Derhowitz' word at face value?
12 posted on 08/22/2006 10:57:30 AM PDT by billybudd
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To: billybudd
Finklestien is a leftist who has mocked Jewish rituals, talks of broad Jewish conspiracies, gives cover to neo-nazis and Holocaust deniers like Zundel and Irving, and lauds those seeking to kill and enslave Jews.

Just because he is correct that some Jewish groups have misused the Holocaust does not mean that his extrapolations from this are correct, much less that the rest of his behavior should be excused.
13 posted on 08/22/2006 11:33:17 AM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: rmlew; billybudd

I rest my case. Stormfront is down the hall, 3rd door on the right...


14 posted on 08/22/2006 12:25:50 PM PDT by sofaman ("Arik, wake up! Olmert is in a coma!")
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To: goldstategop
Totie Fields would be appalled.
15 posted on 08/22/2006 1:00:20 PM PDT by redstates4ever
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To: sofaman

Wonderful. Anyone who disagrees with leftist liberal Alan Dershowitz is a Nazi. I bet you're also one of those Bushbots who thinks anyone who disagrees with Bush on anything is a liberal. There's a word for this kind of fanatical devotion to "purity".


16 posted on 08/22/2006 3:24:10 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: billybudd
Any reason why you answered sofaman with an attack on his motives for seconding my opinion, but have ignored my rebuttal to you?

Is it because you don't know the facts or is it because you know that the charge of "Bushbot" or "Neocon" won't stick to me?
17 posted on 08/22/2006 5:18:43 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: rmlew
Not much of a rebuttal. A bunch of unsupported assertions which are false, but that's about it.

All you're doing is proving Finkelstein's main thesis - that anyone who questions the supposed spokesmen of the Holocaust is immediately labeled an anti-Semite.

The fact is, and this has been amply documented in his work, there was and is ongoing an extortion scheme that has targeted Swiss, German, and now American (!) businesses for money which has gone and will go into the pockets of these organizations and their lawyers, with little to any survivors. *That* is his primary argument and that's why he's being labeled an anti-Semite by these organizations.

It's nice to see you're in cahoots with extreme leftist Alan Dershowitz.
18 posted on 08/22/2006 6:32:52 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: billybudd
According to your logic, because Finklestein claims a conspiracy, he can do whatever he wants and any refutation of him is proof that he is correct!

I am not calling him an anti-Semite for his partially true charges of a Holocaust Industry. I am calling him an anti-Semite for using his thesis to
1. defend Holocaust deniers like Ernst Zundel
2. Create a moral inversion whereby Hizbullah and Hamas are victims because Jews speak up about them
3. Give cover to Shamir and Shahak's anti-Jewish rants.

Finklestein is the epitome of a leftist anti-Semite.

I am not defending Dershowitz's leftist activities. I am taking a look at one of Dershowitz's enemies.

Have you ever thought of looking beyond false dichotomies of neocon-paleocon, and PC and leftist?

19 posted on 08/22/2006 7:00:37 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: billybudd
What does Finklestein believe:
Hibullah was the virtuous party. http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=4&ar=15
Bin LAden's claims against the US are well founded.
How to Lose Friends and Alienate People: A Conversation with Professor Norman Finkelstein,” CounterPunch, December 13, 2001 by Don Atapattu

For the heck of it, why not read Norman Finkelstein's world and then take a look at Finkelstein's own website to see the hatred.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
20 posted on 08/22/2006 7:11:22 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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