Rudy can't even get it up------guy's got groin strain
and crotch itch from straddling both political camps.
Posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone
The S.C. Republican Party’s sponsorship of “An Evening Honoring Rudy Giuliani” last week spoke volumes.
It reflected what some said is a shift in attitude toward GOP candidates with more liberal views on social issues.
There’s a greater degree of tolerance and acceptance, party officials said.
Giuliani, who rose to national prominence for his take-charge performance after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, supports gay rights, gun control and legalized abortion, which puts him at odds with most Republicans.
Nevertheless, he has traveled the country extensively on behalf of GOP candidates this year while acknowledging his own interest in a possible 2008 presidential bid.
Although his liberal stance on social issues is likely to disqualify him with religious conservatives, the former New York City mayor remains in great demand as a speaker before Republican groups.
In this visit — his first major political trip to South Carolina — Giuliani attended a fundraiser for conservative GOP congressional candidate Ralph Norman, the one-term state representative who is challenging Democratic U.S. Rep. John Spratt, a 24-year House veteran in a hotly contested race in the 5th District.
Giuliani ended the day in Charleston at a star-studded $2,500-a-couple fundraiser for the state Republican Party.
He packed the place.
“Rudy is a very popular figure,” GOP chairman Katon Dawson said. “We didn’t have any problem with him coming.”
Giuliani, affectionately known as “America’s mayor,” is seen as middle-of-the-road by most voters nationally, according to Rasmussen Reports, an electronic survey company.
It found 36 percent of Americans see him as a political moderate, 29 percent said conservative, and 15 percent said liberal. Twenty percent are not sure.
Former state GOP chairman Barry Wynn said the party needs to take a fresh look at the way it regards new voters, especially those new residents who’ve settled along the coast and are starting to have an impact on state party politics.
Those voters tend to be more progressive in outlook and are more inclined to support someone like Giuliani.
“I think Rudy could be more popular in South Carolina than most people would think,” Wynn said.
The debate in 2008 isn’t going to be about tax cuts, abortion or Social Security reform — Republican favorites.
“The overarching issues this time will be national security and leadership,” Wynn said. “Everything else will fit under that.”
Such a scenario favors Giuliani, Greenville consultant Chip Felkel said.
Francis Marion University political scientist Neal Thigpen, a GOP activist, said Giuliani is in a “special category.”
He’s a “glittering personality” with star quality who can get away with supporting legalized abortion and gay rights.
His position on those social issues “would not hurt him as bad over the long haul as one may think. If John McCain had the same position, it would hurt him a lot worse.”
Needless to say, the hard-core religious right won’t surrender territory on social issues. They’d rather go down in flames than win.
But unless terrorists no longer are a threat to the United States, national security and leadership will be at the top of the issues heap in 2008.
Voters won’t be concerned about gay rights or abortion. What matters most will be their own security in a volatile world.
And the candidate who stands to benefit is Giuliani.
“If your house is on fire,” Wynn said, “you want a guy with the hose.”
Rudy can't even get it up------guy's got groin strain
and crotch itch from straddling both political camps.
Dick Cheney being VP.
ALL HAIL THE LIBERAL MEDIA CANDIDATE!
There truly is only one Dick Cheney.
His resume cannot be matched by anyone - so no use making that comparison.
Don't buttress the WaPo's insane hit pieces. Even if George Allen has a general problem with "strategery".
He's either a doofus or he's so brilliant that he uses racial slurs in Latin. Hard to say at this point.
Republicans Can't Win Without Christian Conservatives (this means you, Rudy)
SOURCE: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:QS6fK2c8AP0J:pewforum.org/events/index.php%3FEventID%3D115
Americans who regularly attend worship services and hold traditional Christian religious views increasingly vote Republican, while those who are less connected to religious institutions and more secular in their outlook tend to vote Democratic, according to a major study by the Pew Forum.
Some of the conclusions of this report were already evident in 2004 exit polling data. For example, voters who attend church more than once a week (16 percent of all voters) chose Bush over Kerry by a margin of 64 – 35 percent.
Likewise, those who attend Christian denominational Churches on a weekly basis (26 percent of voters) supported the President by a 58 – 41 percent margin. Also very telling, those who never attend Church (15 percent of voters) overwhelmingly supported Kerry 62 – 36 percent.
The study further found that traditionalist elements within each religion tended to vote Republican, while modernist groups within the religions trended towards the Democrats. A multiple regression analysis of exit poll and public opinion survey data from 2000 and 2004 enabled the Pew Research Center to assign a relative weight to various demographic markers.
Interestingly, church attendance was tied with race as the most significant factor. But even that number is deceiving; in that race is only an important factor due to the high level of support the Democrats receive from black voters.
These trends represent a major shift over the past forty-five years. White Christian Evangelicals in 1960 favored Democrats by a two-to-one margin; now they are Republican by a 56 – 27 percent margin. Seventy-eight percent of them voted for President Bush in 2004.
In 1960, 71 percent of Catholics were Democrats and now Democrats have only a slight edge among Catholics (44 – 41 percent) and Catholics voted for President Bush (52 – 47 percent) in 2004. These trends have also brought an increased acceptance of religion in the public square.
While Americans do tend to favor the separation of church and state, 70 percent of voters want their President to have strong Christian religious beliefs. Likewise, the study reveals that 52 percent of Americans believe that Christian churches should express political views. Surprisingly, support for political involvement of churches is strongest among younger voters age 18 to 29 (59 percent).
Dear Jake The Goose,
LOL!
So, you really ARE getting ready to throw us overboard.
Either get on the program or "walk the plank," eh?
Sorry, that approach isn't exactly going to entice us to vote for liberals with "R"s pasted to their backs.
"I for one am getting a little sick and tired of being preached to."
I'm not preaching to anyone. I'm just stating openly, loudly, forcefully, clearly, unambiguously - I won't vote for Mr. Giuliani. And neither will a large number of social conservatives.
No preaching, just simple facts.
My goal is merely to make sure that all the folks who support Mr. Giuliani understand the consequences of nominating this liberal. Should we fail to stop his nomination, many of us will not ever vote for him in the general election.
My goal is that when his supporters come back, after suffering defeat in the general election, whining about us social conservatives, I will be able to say, "Hey, we were upfront about things. We told you we wouldn't vote for this man. You shoved him down our throat, anyway. Take your lumps."
"We're at war overseas - we don't need to be at war at home."
We've been at war at home for decades. The liberal left (including Mr. Giuliani) has been warring against the United States for quite some time. Social conservatives believe that legal abortion on demand up until the point that the baby is 9/10s already born, the homosexualist agenda, etc., have been undermining our country for a long time, and that we won't need the external threat of Islamofascism to defeat us if we continue on the path that we're on.
The Islamofascist threat doesn't make all these other threats to our country go away.
You want my vote for the Republican presidential nominee? Don't nominate a liberal. There! Wasn't that easy?
sitetest
Washington, DC, Apr. 13, 2005 (Culture of Life Foundation/CWNews.com) - A memo authored by a prominent Democratic strategy organization calls the decline in support of white Catholics for Democrats "striking" and "a big part of the 2004 election story." One of the analysis' key findings is that Catholic voters are becoming more pro-life, which the authors called "a factor in the recent losses and one of the blockages for Democrats, at least in the Midwest."
The data also reveals that young Catholics are more pro-life than their parents and that bishops who speak out against pro-abortion politicians help bolster the pro-life vote.
The abortion issue is particularly potent for a group called "Democratic defectors" who either identified themselves as Democrats or voted for Bill Clinton in 1996 but voted for President Bush in the last election. Among this group, "26 percent believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases, nearly three times the number for all Catholic Democrats."
The memo was issued by Democracy Corps, a research and tactical advice organization founded by Democrat strategy virtuosos James Carville, Stanley Greenberg and Bob Shrum. Titled "Reclaiming the White Catholic Vote," it is based on data from a nationwide survey of more than 1,000 white Catholic voters.
The decline in the white Catholic vote has been steady over the last decade. Clinton won it by seven percentage points; Al Gore lost it by seven points; and Sen. John Kerry lost it by 14 points. The data provided in the report provides a fascinating window into the much discussed Catholic vote and makes it clear Democrats are losing ground because of their stance on a range of cultural issues.
It turns out that one of the most contentious and visible issues in the 2004 election, the denial of the Eucharist to pro-abortion politicians, did not hurt the pro-life side as many said it would.
The poll found that when white Catholics were asked whether or not they were more or less likely to vote for a Democrat that "is denied Communion by the area's bishop for voting to support abortion rights" 49 percent said they were less likely while 33 percent said they were more likely.
The memo also made it clear that the abortion issue is not going away. "Although the pro-life position is strongest among seniors, Catholics' current pro-life position does not appear likely to lessen with time.
While middle-age Catholics lean toward keeping abortion legal, voters under 30 are more pro-life: 53 percent believe abortion should be illegal in most cases." The pro-life position could be a winning one for Democrats according to the study.
Fifty-nine percent of white Catholics say they are more likely to support a Democratic candidate who is pro-life and 35 percent say they are less likely, giving a pro-life Democrat a 24 point advantage. Even on the East Coast where Catholics are less pro-life, a pro-life Democrat has a 12 point advantage over a pro-abortion candidate.
The memo advises Democrat candidates to get around the issue by presenting themselves as one who "[b]elieves in a woman's right to choose but believes all sides should come together around the common goal of preventing and reducing the number of abortions, with more sex ed, including abstinence, access to contraception and more adoption."
This common ground approach is reminiscent of a recent speech given by New York Senator and likely presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton, in which she softened her approach to abortion by calling it a "tragic choice." In the speech she said faith-based abstinence should be embraced but also called on increased funding for "family planning services," a euphemism for contraception, abortifacients, and abortions.
SOURCE http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=36492
Take this quote:
"Rudy offers conservatives a man who will really fight the WOT the way it needs to be fought,"
And add it to my post here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1687294/posts?page=74#74
Rudy is a member and partnered with the same group that funded the anti war movement.
Now, how is that quote: "Rudy offers conservatives a man who will really fight the WOT the way it needs to be fought," suppose to be interpretted?
Dear Jake The Goose,
"That said - look at this thread - social conservatives are not exactly open to anyone who does not walk in lock step."
ROTFLMAO!! What a comedian!
I'm willing to vote for nearly anyone the party nominates. Sen. Allen, Sen. Frist, Sen. McCain, Rep. Tancredo, former Speaker Gingrich, Rep. Pence, Gov. Owens, Gov. Barbour, to name a few.
Several of these guys are truly flawed from a social conservative perspective.
Nonetheless, they offer to us social conservatives perhaps a slice of the loaf, if not a half-loaf (and very far from a whole loaf). In some cases, maybe little more than crumbs.
Conversely, Mr. Giuliani would take away what little part of the loaf that we have earned with great difficulty over the past few decades.
Your threat to social conservatives is that we must support our enemies or be read out of the party.
Okay. If you nominate our enemy, we will leave.
And take our votes with us.
How's that?
sitetest
Why do you keep posting on these threads? It only forces Guiliani down the throats of the Innocent.
But what about AFTER he gets the nomination?
Social issues are irrelevant if we are in mortal danger.
It is 100% accurate.
"We're at war overseas - we don't need to be at war at home."
So, why start one by trying to shove a "progressive" Republican presidential candidate down religious conservatives' throats, then?
Take the walk..........
RUDYPHILE ENDLESS WAR HOPEFUL POSTED: "We're at war overseas - we don't need to be at war at home."
SITETEST: "We've been at war at home for decades. The liberal left (including Mr. Giuliani) has been warring against the United States for quite some time.
Social conservatives believe that legal abortion on demand up until the point that the baby is 9/10s already born, the homosexualist agenda, etc., have been undermining our country for a long time.............
..... we won't need the external threat of Islamofascism to defeat us if we continue on the path that we're on. The Islamofascist threat doesn't make all these other threats to our country go away.
He is probably twice as smart as the competition. It would be great to see him dealing with the Treason Media's inane questions.
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