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We are not traitors in your midst
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 08/19/06 | Yahya Birt

Posted on 08/17/2006 11:17:04 AM PDT by Pokey78

Converts to Islam are now under the microscope. Middle England is in a moral panic at the news that a white middle-class boy from High Wycombe, the son of a Conservative party constituency worker, has been arrested in connection with what might have been our own 9/11. The explanations reached for 7/7, about social unrest or cultural clashes between Muslim elders and youth, clearly don’t apply.

In the past, the temptation might have been to explain away conversion to Islam as a manifestation of social or personal discontent: an escape from personal problems, maybe, a decision to embrace the latest form of Third Worldism, a rebellion against liberal parents from the 1960s generation.

Now the thought is that people are converting not to one of the world’s great religions but to Islamofascism, to an anti-Western political cause with its very own fringe of bloodstained anarchists who are prepared to kill people on a grand scale. Converts have betrayed their country to join, like Bill Haydon in John le Carré’s Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, the other side. The Elizabethans confronting Ottoman naval power used to think the same: that converting to Islam was ‘turning Turk’. The Muslim convert becomes an odd amalgam of Anthony Blunt and Timothy McVeigh.

However, in my 16 years as a Muslim, most converts I’ve met were, like myself, only interested in searching for a spiritual path. Sufism, the Islamic mystical path, has been popular since the 1960s when it became part of the countercultural scene, and it still has a huge appeal to many Westerners. Today the mediaeval Sufi mystic Rumi is the bestselling poet in America.

The other influence, especially within the Afro-Caribbean community, has been Islamic-influenced rap and hip-hop and, further back in time, jazz. It is part of a search for cultural roots which leads some back to the Islamic kingdoms of West Africa, and re-enacts the iconic journey of Malcolm X from black nationalism to mainstream Islam. The rise of multicultural Britain, together with foreign travel and British curiosity and open-mindedness, has led many to explore other faiths. Probably half the Buddhists but fewer than 1 per cent of Muslims in Britain are converts. There are some 15,000 converts to Islam, about 40 per cent of them from black and Asian backgrounds. There is nothing very remarkable about this. The divine supermarket, like Tesco’s, is now better stocked and offers more choice for the customer looking for something a bit out of the ordinary.

I remember the warm welcome I had from the Muslim community — the hospitality and countless curries went down very well. It was easy to remain aloof from political debate, but during the 1990s it became clear that a series of political causes abroad were animating young British Muslims. Although it rarely gets mentioned nowadays, Bosnia marked one such turning point. It seemed that no matter how assimilated or historically grounded they seemed to be, Muslims were not truly considered to be a part of Europe. The massacre of 7,000 Muslims in Srebrenica in 1995 sent a disturbing signal to Britain’s Muslims. Some young idealists went to the Balkans and fought for the Bosnians; it was not known at the time that it was a recruiting ground for more sinister causes.

The radical Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir had also emerged on the campuses, and its confident tabloid style of politics appealed to some impressionable young Muslims. While at university, and involved with my local Islamic society, I experienced many run-ins with them. At our college we managed to keep them to the margins, but it was difficult and I was accused of being a turncoat and a spy. Recoiling from this angry Marxist-Leninist Islam, I spent a number of years away from the community, disillusioned and unsure.

During research fieldwork for a doctorate just before 9/11, it was clear to me that radicalism had become embedded in a section of the Muslim community. But it took the attack on the Twin Towers for me to realise that these people were more than just the Muslim Militant Tendency. All the other factors of disaffection and disadvantage were there, but these radical ideas were the critical factor. I felt, like many others, the need to get involved again, fearing the consequences of the great stigma that Osama bin Laden had laid upon Islam and British Muslims.

In these past five years the Muslim community has struggled to cope with the pressure. It is the youngest community in the country, half of it under the age of 25 — with all the energy, enthusiasm and inexperience that one might expect — and it’s one of the poorest and most socially marginalised. There is much to be done to cut through the despair and cynicism that have taken hold. The old colonial way of dealing with migrant communities by proxy through community representatives was always likely to prove ineffectual to deal with this crisis. The government even believes that imams can be used to direct the process of integration, when they are still regarded as ill-paid employees, and have no special status. Many cannot relate culturally to young people or speak English adequately. The mosque has a much less central role than once it had.

Even if fatwas of peace from the great and learned of the Muslim world are circulated, as they have been, it won’t matter much to puritanical extremists who do not recognise the traditional religious authorities. Imagine the conceit that a papal edict might have been thought effective to calm the IRA in the 1970s. So while there is an undoubted need to condemn dodgy theology, in the long run it won’t be enough to deal with the larger political challenges in the Muslim world. If I had to come up with a phrase to describe why I think anyone would want to blow up those planes, it would be ‘perverted idealism’. According to this type of thinking, Muslim lives are held cheaply and are undefended. To protect Muslims, we must resort to acts of terror, the weapon of the weak. We will stand up and be counted as heroes.

Converts who don’t fit the stereotypical profile are attractive targets for extremist recruiters, as we have seen in the cases of Richard Reid and Jermaine Lindsay. It would be naive to underestimate the moral charge behind that basic appeal. The burning desire to protect the weak and defenceless against the might of modern aerial bombing blurs fine moral distinctions about collateral damage. It is a dangerous romanticism powerful enough to appeal across all sorts of cultural borders.

Extremism passes through religion like an arrow through the body, as Mohammed taught. And it is with this small hope that I look to a future in which the search for political peace takes precedence over the war on terrorism and acts of terror.

Yahya Birt is a research fellow at the Islamic Foundation, Leicestershire.


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To: Pokey78
Oh yea. Right. If you are not how about APOLOGIZING for the actions of your peers?

Exactly. You are traitors.
21 posted on 08/17/2006 12:08:48 PM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: E Rocc
The Islamofascist strategy is to blur the difference.

Naive.

Whether "moderate" or not, they have the same goal... turn Dar Al Harb (the world at war) into Dar Al Islam (the world which has submitted to the will of Allah). They are warriors in the same fight employing different methods. I will believe I am wrong when I can be shown the list of "moderates" who have turned in the "extremists" in their midsts at the local mosque--before they attack.

The "moderates" know who the "extremists" are (just as the neighborhood kids know who the drug dealers are) and yet plead ignorance when they are confronted.

22 posted on 08/17/2006 12:08:57 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: Pokey78

This is what happens when one's heritage is politically corrected out of institutions and society.


23 posted on 08/17/2006 12:09:12 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Gantz

these are not the droids you are looking for.

Islam practioners employ Jedi mind tricks for DUmmies.


24 posted on 08/17/2006 12:10:51 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Pokey78

Could it be that one of the reasons for the conversions to Islam is because of the lack of spiritual strength, guidence and deluded teachings in the Christian faith, along with the liberal outlook in the Jewish faith? I am only guessing here.


25 posted on 08/17/2006 12:17:44 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (VENGEANCE FOR OUR FALLEN WARRIORS......NOW!!)
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To: All
I've been trying to wake people up to this menace, for years:

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Picture, and scroll backwards:

...and the barbarians are already inside our gates.

Never, ever, forget:

Where It's 9-11 all the Time: Click the Picture:

"Where it's nine-eleven all the time
and no Sun sets, and no clocks chime
where no voice speaks and no bird trills
the Moon hangs frozen o'er the hills
The winds are still, they seem to say,
Reflect, remember, stop to pray..."

...and at our neighbour's gates, as well:

Terror Strike Toronto ( Aborted! )-- Click the picture:

And then, there is this little problem:

For "Thunder on the Border," click the picture:


26 posted on 08/17/2006 12:18:01 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Pokey78
no matter how assimilated or historically grounded they seemed to be, Muslims were not truly considered to be a part of Europe.

Muslims are not to be considered part of humanity. Cockroaches aren't.

27 posted on 08/17/2006 12:28:42 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: E Rocc
Whose interest do "Islam is evil" posts serve?

Truth? Ask the Imam yourself.

28 posted on 08/17/2006 12:29:59 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: E Rocc
Islamofascists are traitors. Muslims are not, neccesarily.

Yes, they are. If they profess a religion that exhorts its believers to indiscriminately slaughter non-believers, then they are either active terrorists or apprentices.

The Anglo-American strategy, quite wisely, is to distinguish between the two.

There is no value in focusing on distinctions that make no difference. All Muslims are terrorists to one degree or another. They have to be to be Muslims.

The Islamofascist strategy is to blur the difference.

The Muslim strategy is to pretend that there IS a dfference, thereby safeguarding a potential pool of recruits and fifth columnists who can live within a victim society and plot their murders under the protection of the very society they condemn.

Whose interest do "Islam is evil" posts serve?

Whose interest does TRUTH serve?

29 posted on 08/17/2006 12:34:58 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"They hate the West. Why are they here ?"


Who knows? I have never been able to understand why in the world someone would move to a country they hate, populated by people they hate, and raise their children in a culture they hate. It would be like me moving to France.


30 posted on 08/17/2006 12:40:56 PM PDT by FarRightFanatic
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To: FarRightFanatic
I have never been able to understand why in the world someone would move to a country they hate, populated by people they hate, and raise their children in a culture they hate. It would be like me moving to France.

If your purpose was to infiltrate, populate, predominate, and eventually annihilate France, then it's not so challenging to understand.

31 posted on 08/17/2006 12:47:21 PM PDT by Scothia ( When something important is going on, silence is a lie.)
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To: FarRightFanatic

Can you imagine a bunch of Norwegian Lutherans setting up shop in Saudi Arabia ?


32 posted on 08/17/2006 1:33:50 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Pokey78
However, in my 16 years as a Muslim, most converts I’ve met were, like myself, only interested in searching for a spiritual path.

Well then, maybe you could just, like, talk to that extremely tiny little fringe group - you know, the ones who like to saw off innocent people's heads, blow up women and children in cafes and fly populated airliners into populated skyscrapers, and ask them if they wouldn't mind finding something else to do with their time, mm-kay?


/s
33 posted on 08/17/2006 1:44:57 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Get off my lawn!)
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To: Pokey78
The other influence, especially within the Afro-Caribbean community, has been Islamic-influenced rap and hip-hop and, further back in time, jazz.

No fact checkers at the Guardian?

34 posted on 08/17/2006 1:47:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Pokey78
Converts to Islam are now under the microscope.

They should blame their Islamicist brothers for that.

35 posted on 08/17/2006 1:59:42 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Pokey78

Yes you are. The political organization to which you belong requires you to cheat/steal/lie/kill all you can while you live in Dar-al-Harb.

Cut it out and move to Dar-al-Islam so you can be prosperous and happy.


36 posted on 08/17/2006 2:02:11 PM PDT by 308MBR ( I don't really want to know WHAT you have to do to be arrested for a sex crime in Bangkok!)
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To: Pokey78
We are not traitors in your midst

They are not traitors because their loyalty was never to us or our countries, but rather to Islam alone and to jihad. Their religion permits no loyalty to a nonMohammedan nation or other entity. NonMohammedans have hierarchies of loyalties. Mohammedans have hierarchies of loyalty within Islam and no loyalty at all outside Islam.

37 posted on 08/17/2006 2:49:41 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: alloysteel
"Not traitors? Whatever happened to a fellow in Norway named Quisling?"

He went to room temperature right after WWII.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vidkun QuislingVidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (July 18, 1887–October 24, 1945) was a Norwegian fascist politician and officer. He held the office of Minister President in occupied Norway from February 1942 to the end of World War II, while the elected social democratic cabinet of Johan Nygaardsvold was exiled in London. After the war he was tried for high treason and subsequently executed by firing squad. His name has become an eponym for traitor, especially a collaborationist.[1]
38 posted on 08/17/2006 3:37:22 PM PDT by a02001
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To: FarRightFanatic; Eric in the Ozarks

"They hate the West. Why are they here ?"

1. Because their own countries are stinking hell holes.

2. Because they want the West to fall under Sharia law. They want the whole world under Sharia law.


39 posted on 08/17/2006 6:29:10 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: Pokey78

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998


40 posted on 08/17/2006 6:29:42 PM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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