Posted on 08/15/2006 5:19:13 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
With most of the Western world in denial, ignorance or some degree of acquiesence before the dream of islamic hegemony, it is at least encouraging that all of a sudden a discussion has arisen among those westerners not so afflicted, whether we should identify the ideology of our enemies as fascist.
It is encouraging because it might, perhaps, signal a sense that it is becoming more commonly acceptable in our societies to think of our enemies as not nice people. Maybe our reluctance to give offense is giving way, to some degree, to the foreboding that horrible suffering and death might actually await many of us, by those not nice people who daily threaten to inflict horrible suffering and death on us, and do inflict it on as many of us as they are currently capable of reaching.
The question remains whether "fascism" is really the word we ought to use, when we use it in the phrase "War on Islamo-fascism." There is no question that fascism and islam share a strikingly similar world view, and as much is assumed in the following words. Islam shares a striking world view with nazism, perhaps moreso than with fascism, and yet would it sound right to refer to "islamo-nazism"? Our enemies are true barbarians: should we call this war, the The War on Barbarism?
The problem with calling our enemy ideology "islamo-fascism" is that it is not fascism, it is islam. While there may be fascist equivalents of words such as dhimmi, hudna, taqqiyah and jihad, or fascist literature the equivalent of the koran, the hadith and the sira, that does not make islam, fascism. Each has a distinctive time and place in the history of mankind, and each a different cultural and philosophical context.
Adding fascism to "islamo" does not have the ring of truth to it. It sounds somewhat childish, like calling a police officer a "fascist pig." The use of the word "fascist" has a very sorry recent history of being used as a totally baseless pejorative, and it does not gain resonance regardless of how more accurately it might be applied to our enemy than to a cop.
And even the prefix "islamo" has that absurd ring of an awkward neologism, as with islamism. They sound like pipsqueak pejoratives, they do not quite ring true. They have the sound of phoniness and reaching too far. Does the word "homophobia" still grate on your ears? That's because it has the psuedo-serious echo of a nagging, hectoring made up verbal sledgehammer.
But the worst aspect of this leaden coinage is, it does not call the thing by what it calls itself and how it is known.
It is understood: there is a major difficulty involved. Even those who attribute the "root cause" of our enemy's barbarism to islam itself, are loathe to be so blunt, if only for prudential reasons. There remains the so far unrealized hope that some adherents will take a stand against the purported extremism of their co-religionists, that there might be a reformation of islam, if only we avoid at all costs the impression that we are trying to destroy their religion.
The problem is, you cannot fight this war without knowing about the love of death, the hatred of humanity, and the worship of mohammed, which comprises islam. The details of islam are critical, because the details lead to the understanding of motives and tactics. The knowledge of fascism is beside the point, or at least a distraction. Islam is quite big enough without trying to view it through the prism of what in comparison is a trivial historic era.
This has been a long war, between islam and humanity. The significance of the current phase, is that barbarism has just intersected with modern technology and the happenstance of vast oil wealth. The world has literally never faced anything like this before.
We are not fighting fascism. We are fighting jihad, the islamic war against humanity. The first battle in the current phase of islam's dedication to the destruction of us, is the struggle to get modern Westerners to grasp what they are facing. Jihad is doing its best to spin their war in such a way, as to keep most Westerners clueless. And it has not been a difficult job for them, given the predilections of most Westerners.
The first job in resisting jihad is to get the attention of Westerners, and the second is to focus them on exactly what they are facing. The first job is being done by jihad itself. Only jihad can do it apparently, sadly. The second job has to be done by Westerners who already know what we face.
That job is one of speaking clearly and with conviction, not obfuscating or using obscure historical metaphors.
This is a war on jihad, if we are willing to make war. It is a war of ideas, freedom, civilization and humanity, versus a religious belief that all shall die, and die horribly, who do not submit. Jihad is that religious belief. And the war on jihad ought to be the resolve of free men.
Historically, Fascism has been viewed as a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism and having strong leader and central control (ala , Germany, Italy & Spain in the '30's).
However, it seems that we cannot get our heads around radical Islamism with it's franchised decentralized organizational structure where small groups of Islamists can take independent . Nor do we seem to have figured out how to fight this multi-headed hydra - other than to fight it WW2 style and that's probably why many are more comfortable in using WW2 enemy terms for the current enemy.
If that doesn't work we can call them Japs... ;)
we also have to worry about the rise of the Party of Hate
Hear, hear! VERY well done.
But ideas themselves are never a threat. It isn't until they're packed into a motive vehicle that they collide with the real world. I can plot to blow up buildings all day, and until I put the ingredients together and deliver the explosives to the site, all I've done is indulged what Freud called wishful thinking.
We can't defeat the ideas that drive Islam. They are nearly as ancient and as revered as those behind Christianity. But we can exterminate the vehicles that carry these infernal ideas into our offices, subways, and airliners. We can close down the hate factories, contain the filth that spews from the mosques, and segregate the potential offenders. And ultimately, we can let the vermin exterminate each other, the way they've been doing almost since Islam was born.
But first we have to stop them from killing US. And we do that by killing THEM first.
Please bring some stats to prove this theory.
That Muslims are the "bulk force".
The current Iraqi police force and Iraqi army are followers of the Islamic faith who serve a secular, democratically elected government.
Islam, at its core, does not tolerate non-Muslim belief systems. Currently, Iraq is attempting to establish a society in which the values of Islam are somewhat ameliorated by modern political thinking. Turkey achieved this goal early in the 20th century. It remains to be seen if this can be achieved in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The enemy here is "islamofascism".
Make no mistake about it, the term is absolutely precise.
We aren't fighting islam, but instead a amalgam of islam with socialistic fascism. Islam is just a tool of these fascists to recruit poor superstitious fools in the Middle East, the subcontinent, London, Marin County and elsewhere to blow themselves up.
Guys like Bin Ladin and Ahmadinejad are truly just atheistic communists stealing that religions terminology and myths. They don't believe in the 72 virgins or any of that.
What they do believe in is world conquest and socialism. Did you listen to Ahmadinejad's interview Sunday? He was touting things like socialized medicine and "concern" for the American economy , basically the same old socialist talking points we've heard from others for a long time.
If Islam were disproved as a religion, these vermin could make a seamless transition to scientific Trotskyism or other forms of fascism in a New York minute.
No, we at war with the fundamentalist Muslims that emulate mohammed. A killer, a plunderer, a pedophile. There is no such thing as a radical Muslim.
Interesting you should mention the Japanese. Islam seems to strongly resemble shinto of Imperial Japan but less tied to a "homeland". It was an extremely effective vehicle for a uniform indoctrination of extreme nationalism, militarism, and official state propaganda.
Islam is always at war with non-muslims. We should be fighting Islam and the Muslims. Or it will be our death, or dhimmitude.
You agree with me. :~ )
There was a discussion a couple of days ago on FR about what we should call them other than islamofascists.
I said jihadists.
Let's call em Huns!!
Or Islamo-Huns.
How 'bout Sand People.
Tusken Raiders?
El Guapos!!!!
So they say. Their behavior says otherwise. It is a gigantic irony that mohammed is, as a practical matter, "associated" with allah in a way which makes them indistinguishable.
I'm sorry, but Islamists must be made as much an enemy as the "Hun", the "Jap", the "Nazi" or whatever we called the enemy in the past that was threatening the world.
Today, the enemy is Islam. And the only way that we will win the war THEY brought upon us is to kill millions of them quite regardless of their individual "guilt". That means lots of women, lots of babies, lots of old men MUST die.
It isn't that we revel in their deaths. We certainly mourn it. But THEY have brought this war and WE must END it -- and if we don't everything we are and have is threatened with extinction by Islamists. Just as we killed millions of Japanese and Germans to end that threat we must kill millions of Islamists.
It TRULY is us versus them.
There ARE no "innocent" Islamists. We cannot allow the thought of "innocence" to invade our resolve. In this way, billions and a far flung future of Muslims that might live in peace, observing their religion peacefully, will be free of the current dominance of Islamofascist horror and oppression.
So, if we must call them fascists, then we should do so. What ever dehumanizes them enough to commence the process of killing enough Islamists until the idea that Islam should be an intricate part of a governing body, the hand on the tiller of government, the better off posterity will be.
Let the leftists of the future write their tsk-tsking books on how horrible these days were 100 years hence. But let them write their misreading of history in the comfort of a time when Islam is as dead as a guiding force for world wide terror as Nazism and Shintoism now is.
For that matter, let it be as dead as Christianity closely intermingled with government is now dead. After all, a thousand years ago Christianity was a world wide threat to peace. We have shucked religion away from our government in the west. The only way for Islam to become peaceful is that SO many Muslims die NOW that the idea of using Islam as a governing ideal within government is anathema to Muslims. They MUST feel so injured by their former belief in Islam that they could never make themselves associate it with government again. Just like Nazism and Shintoism is now shunned, in that same way let Islam so be shunned.
I didn't start with this opinion years ago. When 9/11 happened, I thought that this was just the actions of a few radical Muslim nuts. But it is not so. The actions of Islamofascists are a DIRECT and LOGICAL extension of Islam.
Islam is anti-capitalist, anti-modern, anti-freedom, anti-individualist, anti-human rights... it is AGAINST every single thing we stand for in the west.
I am saddened that I have had to come to this conclusion. I'd much rather it had been true that only a few Muslims feel the hatred for everything western that they do. It would have been so much less distressing if it were true that there are only a few bad apples in Islam. I would have loved to live and let live.
But, they have revealed themselves over and over again, to be enemies to the world. Oppressors who wish to destroy everyone in their path. Warpers of religion. Usurpers of truth. Murderers, thieves and inhuman animals.
Let their blood flow in the streets like great rivers of penance for their evils.
So, I cannot support your piddling worries about if they are "really" fascists or not. They are the enemy. That is ALL we need to know.
Let's not.
Now if you want to talk about prayer beads, all those guys are heavy into idolotry.
bttt
Watch all the C.A.I.R. members on here come out swinging on this one!
Pretty obvious which ones
"-- The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause; --- and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation. -- We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion. --"
Overzealous fanaticism, -- whether political/religious in nature, - is our enemy.
Fascism would be tremendous leap forward for most Islamic nations.
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