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We are not fighting "fascism"
8-15-2006 | self

Posted on 08/15/2006 5:19:13 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla

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We have not begun to win this war, a war of ideas. You cannot win a war of ideas, if you are too scared to utter the right words.
1 posted on 08/15/2006 5:19:14 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

I like the Islamobarbarism line. It is fitting.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 5:21:14 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Your personal ranting are not News.


3 posted on 08/15/2006 5:24:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
"War on Islamofascism" is a vast improvement over "War on Terror". It may be a made up word, but it gets the point across.

You're never going to be able to sell "War on Jihad", any more than you would be able to sell "War on Islam". Jihad is too integral to Islam, it would be like trying to differentiate between "Christ" and "Repentance".

We can target the aggressive aspect of Islam, and teach it to stay within the lines of the law, but trying to attack the concept of jihad (since jihad actually means more than suicide bombing) will be clearly seen as an attack on all of Islam.

Let's just be happy with Islamofascism. It suitably explains the problem.

4 posted on 08/15/2006 5:27:29 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Worship of Mohammad?

Any Moslem who came out and said something about "the correct way to worship Mohammad", for example, would probably be murdered where he stood.

They don't worship Mohammad.

On the other hand, Islamofascism is a very good word for the Moslem Reformation that's been underway for the last 100 years.

Little did scholars in the field anticipate that Moslems would end up thinking fullblown fascism, sans the Nazi cross and so forth, would be a good idea.

The Falangists in Lebanon are probably doing cartwheels these days ~ savoring their success in convincing their Moslem brothers that they, the Christians, in Falange, were correct all along.

This is probably going to get a whole big bunch of these guys dead in the long run.

5 posted on 08/15/2006 5:28:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

The irrelevance is powerful in you.


6 posted on 08/15/2006 5:29:33 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Islamofascism works for me.


7 posted on 08/15/2006 5:30:06 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Every time I hear the word "exercise", I wash my mouth out with chocolate.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

So true. No one has the nerve to call this what it is in this PC world we live in.


8 posted on 08/15/2006 5:30:26 PM PDT by ladyinred (Thank God the Brits don't have a New York Times!)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

It's a war against islam, and those that believe in it. It's been done before. Will be done again.


9 posted on 08/15/2006 5:30:43 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com (No Islam, Know Peace. www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Muslim extremists were allied with Nazis in WWII.
Arafat came directly out of the fascist tradition.
Many extremists in the Middle East give a straight arm "Nazi" salute.
The Muslims want to exterminate the Jews.
The Muslims suppress all rival ideologies.
The Muslims do not value private identity or private property.
They expect economic and individual efforts to be subservient to their ideology.

Yeah, I think the term is appropriate.

10 posted on 08/15/2006 5:31:02 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Splitting hairs on definitions seems like a silly academic exercise at this point in the game. Nothing is identical to something similar used to describe it unless they are the same thing.


11 posted on 08/15/2006 5:32:13 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: MNJohnnie

It is a good post not a rant.


12 posted on 08/15/2006 5:36:55 PM PDT by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: Petronski
I argued fascism, socialism, naziism, communism with libs in college 900 years ago.

On one hand there is total control through the state, e.g. now a war lord in Afganistan or a Supreme Caliphate plan as planned by Osama.

The alternative was no government as in anarchy.

Drove the libs nuts when the bottom line was what difference does it make when you get shot in the forehead or the back of the head?

13 posted on 08/15/2006 5:39:03 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Good post.


14 posted on 08/15/2006 5:39:40 PM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Democrat's Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 70 million new third-world aliens.)
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To: Theresawithanh

an excellent article on fascism:
http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

Islamic terrorism is precisely fascism. It is not consistent with the long history of Islam but is a very recent (since the mid 1930's) development of the relationship of Shiite fanaticism and Nazism. Taliban, for example, is not a return to the Caliphate. It is a grisly distortion born of early 20 century fascism.


15 posted on 08/15/2006 5:39:58 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla; mosquewatch.com
Perhaps the all know and most wise Ranters can answer this question? I keep asking yet none of the self appointed "Wise" seem able to answer.

Why are the bulk of the forces fighting, and dying, on OUR side in the War on Jihadism, Muslim Afghanis, Pakistanis and Iraqis? Bother to notice the Kurds are Muslims?

Is it not sad how rude factual reality so explodes the shrieking hysterics of the "We are at War With Islam" Know Nothings?

16 posted on 08/15/2006 5:43:26 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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The Muslims do not value private identity or private property.

Neither do liberals!

It's a match made in heaven.

17 posted on 08/15/2006 5:43:26 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
The problem is, you cannot fight this war without knowing about the love of death, the hatred of humanity, and the worship of mohammed, which comprises islam.

So sad, so true.

18 posted on 08/15/2006 5:43:28 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com (No Islam, Know Peace. www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com)
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To: Steel Wolf
Let's just be happy with Islamofascism. It suitably explains the problem.

Yeah, what he said!

It allows more fence-sitters and nancy-boys to support the WOT.

We can still destroy the fascists to the last Islamo!

19 posted on 08/15/2006 5:44:27 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Fascism mixed with Islam in that region after WWI, to fill the vaccuum left by the fall of the Turkish Empire. Baathism was modeled after the Nazi Party. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was espousing fascism with an islamist tilt before OBL was even born - and personally met Hitler. Islamofascism well describes the brew that has been stewing in that region for seventy years.
20 posted on 08/15/2006 5:44:27 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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