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We have not begun to win this war, a war of ideas. You cannot win a war of ideas, if you are too scared to utter the right words.
1 posted on 08/15/2006 5:19:14 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

I like the Islamobarbarism line. It is fitting.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 5:21:14 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

Your personal ranting are not News.


3 posted on 08/15/2006 5:24:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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"War on Islamofascism" is a vast improvement over "War on Terror". It may be a made up word, but it gets the point across.

You're never going to be able to sell "War on Jihad", any more than you would be able to sell "War on Islam". Jihad is too integral to Islam, it would be like trying to differentiate between "Christ" and "Repentance".

We can target the aggressive aspect of Islam, and teach it to stay within the lines of the law, but trying to attack the concept of jihad (since jihad actually means more than suicide bombing) will be clearly seen as an attack on all of Islam.

Let's just be happy with Islamofascism. It suitably explains the problem.

4 posted on 08/15/2006 5:27:29 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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Worship of Mohammad?

Any Moslem who came out and said something about "the correct way to worship Mohammad", for example, would probably be murdered where he stood.

They don't worship Mohammad.

On the other hand, Islamofascism is a very good word for the Moslem Reformation that's been underway for the last 100 years.

Little did scholars in the field anticipate that Moslems would end up thinking fullblown fascism, sans the Nazi cross and so forth, would be a good idea.

The Falangists in Lebanon are probably doing cartwheels these days ~ savoring their success in convincing their Moslem brothers that they, the Christians, in Falange, were correct all along.

This is probably going to get a whole big bunch of these guys dead in the long run.

5 posted on 08/15/2006 5:28:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

The irrelevance is powerful in you.


6 posted on 08/15/2006 5:29:33 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Islamofascism works for me.


7 posted on 08/15/2006 5:30:06 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Every time I hear the word "exercise", I wash my mouth out with chocolate.)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla

So true. No one has the nerve to call this what it is in this PC world we live in.


8 posted on 08/15/2006 5:30:26 PM PDT by ladyinred (Thank God the Brits don't have a New York Times!)
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It's a war against islam, and those that believe in it. It's been done before. Will be done again.


9 posted on 08/15/2006 5:30:43 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com (No Islam, Know Peace. www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com)
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Muslim extremists were allied with Nazis in WWII.
Arafat came directly out of the fascist tradition.
Many extremists in the Middle East give a straight arm "Nazi" salute.
The Muslims want to exterminate the Jews.
The Muslims suppress all rival ideologies.
The Muslims do not value private identity or private property.
They expect economic and individual efforts to be subservient to their ideology.

Yeah, I think the term is appropriate.

10 posted on 08/15/2006 5:31:02 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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Splitting hairs on definitions seems like a silly academic exercise at this point in the game. Nothing is identical to something similar used to describe it unless they are the same thing.


11 posted on 08/15/2006 5:32:13 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Good post.


14 posted on 08/15/2006 5:39:40 PM PDT by RodgerD (Reject the Democrat's Migration Explosion Act of 2006. No to 70 million new third-world aliens.)
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Perhaps the all know and most wise Ranters can answer this question? I keep asking yet none of the self appointed "Wise" seem able to answer.

Why are the bulk of the forces fighting, and dying, on OUR side in the War on Jihadism, Muslim Afghanis, Pakistanis and Iraqis? Bother to notice the Kurds are Muslims?

Is it not sad how rude factual reality so explodes the shrieking hysterics of the "We are at War With Islam" Know Nothings?

16 posted on 08/15/2006 5:43:26 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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The problem is, you cannot fight this war without knowing about the love of death, the hatred of humanity, and the worship of mohammed, which comprises islam.

So sad, so true.

18 posted on 08/15/2006 5:43:28 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com (No Islam, Know Peace. www.mosquewatch.blogspot.com)
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Fascism mixed with Islam in that region after WWI, to fill the vaccuum left by the fall of the Turkish Empire. Baathism was modeled after the Nazi Party. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was espousing fascism with an islamist tilt before OBL was even born - and personally met Hitler. Islamofascism well describes the brew that has been stewing in that region for seventy years.
20 posted on 08/15/2006 5:44:27 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Good points U_G.

Historically, Fascism has been viewed as a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism and having strong leader and central control (ala , Germany, Italy & Spain in the '30's).

However, it seems that we cannot get our heads around radical Islamism with it's franchised decentralized organizational structure where small groups of Islamists can take independent . Nor do we seem to have figured out how to fight this multi-headed hydra - other than to fight it WW2 style and that's probably why many are more comfortable in using WW2 enemy terms for the current enemy.
If that doesn't work we can call them Japs... ;)

21 posted on 08/15/2006 5:44:49 PM PDT by CaptainCanada (Citizenship which costs nothing is worth nothing..........................................)
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we also have to worry about the rise of the Party of Hate


22 posted on 08/15/2006 5:47:35 PM PDT by GeronL (flogerloon.blogspot.com ----------------------------> Rise of the Hate Party)
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We have not begun to win this war, a war of ideas. You cannot win a war of ideas, if you are too scared to utter the right words.

Hear, hear! VERY well done.

But ideas themselves are never a threat. It isn't until they're packed into a motive vehicle that they collide with the real world. I can plot to blow up buildings all day, and until I put the ingredients together and deliver the explosives to the site, all I've done is indulged what Freud called wishful thinking.

We can't defeat the ideas that drive Islam. They are nearly as ancient and as revered as those behind Christianity. But we can exterminate the vehicles that carry these infernal ideas into our offices, subways, and airliners. We can close down the hate factories, contain the filth that spews from the mosques, and segregate the potential offenders. And ultimately, we can let the vermin exterminate each other, the way they've been doing almost since Islam was born.

But first we have to stop them from killing US. And we do that by killing THEM first.

23 posted on 08/15/2006 5:49:10 PM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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The enemy here is "islamofascism".

Make no mistake about it, the term is absolutely precise.

We aren't fighting islam, but instead a amalgam of islam with socialistic fascism. Islam is just a tool of these fascists to recruit poor superstitious fools in the Middle East, the subcontinent, London, Marin County and elsewhere to blow themselves up.

Guys like Bin Ladin and Ahmadinejad are truly just atheistic communists stealing that religions terminology and myths. They don't believe in the 72 virgins or any of that.

What they do believe in is world conquest and socialism. Did you listen to Ahmadinejad's interview Sunday? He was touting things like socialized medicine and "concern" for the American economy , basically the same old socialist talking points we've heard from others for a long time.

If Islam were disproved as a religion, these vermin could make a seamless transition to scientific Trotskyism or other forms of fascism in a New York minute.


27 posted on 08/15/2006 5:51:08 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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You agree with me. :~ )

There was a discussion a couple of days ago on FR about what we should call them other than islamofascists.
I said jihadists.


31 posted on 08/15/2006 5:56:16 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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bttt


37 posted on 08/15/2006 6:08:10 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever
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