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British Muslim survey has 30% of Muslim population wanting Sharia Law (pdf file)
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Posted on 08/15/2006 6:27:46 AM PDT by Explodo

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To: Explodo

41 posted on 08/15/2006 7:13:02 AM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem (GWB: 12 Aug 06: "...I ask for your patience, cooperation, and vigilance in the coming days.")
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To: expatguy
Moslems are the eternal victims (in their own minds). They actually froze their laws a thousand years ago.

In the United States we regularly change massive bodies of law ~ for example, Jim Crow laws came in, and Jim Crow laws went out.

We banned booze. We freed booze.

And so on and so forth.

Our uniform commercial code is a wonder of the world, yet Islam has to stand on its head and start playing with itself to figure out how to adopt it. Even the Chicoms are more resilient.

42 posted on 08/15/2006 7:13:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Catholic Canadian
I experience that too. The leftists keep trying to prove a negative. That negative being "I'm not racists/sexist/whatever because I do X". Then they throw the charge out with extreme prejudice at anyone who disagrees with them. And yes, the leftists I have met are the most racist/sexist/antisemitic people I know. They don't even hide the antisemitism anymore.

This is the same problem facing the UK now. The left there has for so long allowed this militant hatred of the West to grow under the protection of "multiculturalism" and the left's own self-loathing. Now, with these however many hundreds of thousands of Islamic militants desiring to impose their brand of fascism on England, the left is still trying to bury its head in the sand.

Now when a black person wakes up and questions the left, he/she is attacked with more venom than anyone else. My family ran Underground RR stations before the US Civil War and I doubt they ever ran into a bounty hunter with as much racial hatred as a "liberal" whose just witnessed a black person question life on the "leftist plantation". I hold every black conservative up as my "Exhibit A" on this.

"Liberal" for me is an incorrectly used term for a leftists. There is nothing "liberal" about the left. Fascism/Socialism/Tyranny/Sharai law are old concepts and not "progressive". Modern Conservatism is far more "progressive" and tolerant of ideas than the left could ever be.

43 posted on 08/15/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Explodo

If they want sharia law, fit them out with inner tubes and set them afloat with information about ocean currents that might take them to Iran or some other 9th century utopia.

The only way western democracies can be safe is mass deportations and an end to the "come one-come all" immigration nightmare our elites have fostered.


44 posted on 08/15/2006 7:14:40 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: Aquinasfan
I've been telling you guys all along that if there are any "Moderate Moslems" they already live in the West.

Islamic law (Sharia) does not tolerate "moderation".

45 posted on 08/15/2006 7:14:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Explodo

Well, I'm sure the pc thing to reiterate woould be that the population is changing and society must recognize the needs of those moving in. That being said, stfu and move back to all those lovely countries that already have what you "need."


46 posted on 08/15/2006 7:16:20 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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There are some stunning numbers in the linked pdf file, which is a survey of 1000 British Muslims. For example, only 20% of the respondents did NOT believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy on the part of the US and Israel.
47 posted on 08/15/2006 7:17:20 AM PDT by dano1
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To: M1Tanker
You're absolutely correct. There are so many examples these days it's striking really. In Canada, the lefty party has succeeded in herding all the 'minorities' onto co-operative, government run housing. The left has equal opportunity employment programs, which is inherently saying that people of other ethnicities, say, black or asian, aren't capable of fending for themselves.

Most striking, as you said, is the anti-semitism. They are getting outright nasty and blatant about it up here, to the point that it's starting to resemble Nazi Germany in the 30s.

In the last few months alone, I have been asked by a lefty why I was 'kissing Jew ass' by making a statement that did not condemn Israel, and I also had some 19 year old students ask me if I was in fact Jewish, because that's "the only way I could possibly defend Israel".

48 posted on 08/15/2006 7:20:45 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: dano1

I was wondering when someone would pick up on that Gem...


49 posted on 08/15/2006 7:21:59 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: Aquinasfan
Europe will fall in our lifetime to Islam -

America will fall to Islam within our children's lifetime.

Muslims in America once they achieve political power will eventually vote the Constitution out of existence.

50 posted on 08/15/2006 7:24:46 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: RoseofTexas

Calm down Rose - less than 3% of the UK poulation is Moslem


51 posted on 08/15/2006 7:26:10 AM PDT by weegie
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To: Catholic Canadian
You will want to see the website http://www.zombietime.com

Fair warning: Pictures of "anti-war" protesters will offend anyone who is sane.

Another troubling aspect in the UK. Briton is essentially "gun free". This, of course, means the militant Islamic terrorists and wannabes are fully armed with automatic weapons while the rest of the English people have nothing but small knives. This means that if the Islamic "Sharia Law now" group actually does something uncharacteristic (like organize into and army) they can cause A LOT of trouble and casualties. This would simply terrorize most of the leftists in the UK into submission. The "right wing nuts" in the UK would beg for help from the US and we would gladly give it, but the damage to the UK would be severe.

I know, of course, that the same Islamic population in the US is also armed (I live right next to it). However, even in their "two minute hate" frenzies, the Islamofascists here understand that they are out-gunned and would only have success in leftist enclaves before being hunted down and killed.
52 posted on 08/15/2006 7:29:45 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Explodo

As a Catholic, I know that there are rules that I must follow. As an American, I understand that I live under these rules, but not everyone does. Just because I eat fish on Friday, doesn't mean that everyone else does. And I know that there are plenty of other religions and groups with their own sets of rules, and they live under these rules while I have mine.

Why some Muslims cannot grasp this concept is beyond me. My main guess is that many of them have not lived alongside other cultures in a democratic country. It must be difficult to make that transition. Our ancestors made the transition from their own theocracies to countries with forms of government like ours many many years ago. Most Muslims living in the West are still trying to adjust. We must deal with those whose extreme views make them a threat to freedom and democracy, and we must be patient with the rest.


53 posted on 08/15/2006 7:33:08 AM PDT by BaBaStooey (I heart Emma Caulfield.)
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To: M1Tanker

Worse yet, the Brit police are largely unarmed. It's worse there than in Canada - while we have a gun registry (soon to be scrapped, thank the Lord) we still have millions of gun owners and our cops are well armed. Nothing like the States though. I don't think I'm far from you, assuming you are speaking of Dearborn.


54 posted on 08/15/2006 7:34:13 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: Explodo

I've seen British polls that are as high as 40%.


55 posted on 08/15/2006 7:35:34 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: Catholic Canadian

I am. It's really "Dearbornistan" now. Full of hate and bile (kinda like Berkeley, CA). It reminds me of Ben Kenobi's view of Mos Eisly in "Star Wars".


56 posted on 08/15/2006 7:37:00 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: expatguy
Europe will fall in our lifetime to Islam -

America will fall to Islam within our children's lifetime.

Yes, and no.

There are several European countries that will reach critical mass within the next 15-30 years. Even if they choose to ignore the neighborhoods and cities that fall to Sharia, the expansionist Islamists won't be satisfied. They will continue to absorb more of the legal and political apparatuses of the country until the non-Islamic public snaps and lashes back.

Once those wars start in earnest, all of the old rules will change. It will be the death of European liberalism, one way or another. That will lead to a kind of introspection that will make what happens there impossible here.

Even now we're considered harsh in how much we demand that immigrants assimilate. After the first European nation commits cultural suicide and sinks into civil war, it will get a lot harsher here, and fast.

57 posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:09 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: M1Tanker

A wretched hive of scum and villainy. We have an area west of Toronto called Bramalea, which is alot like Dearborn.


58 posted on 08/15/2006 7:43:14 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: letsgonova19087; Explodo
2.7% (per CIA World Factbook)

Okay. So out of a population of 60,609,153, 2.7%, or 1,636,447, are Muslims. From that, 30%, or 490,934, believe that Sharia law should be implemented.

Depending on how you look at it, it's either no big deal or it's terrifying. On the one hand, only 0.9% of Brits think that the UK should be under Sharia - probably the same number that think the earth is flat or that we should all worship broccoli. On the other hand, almost half a million Brits think the UK should be under Sharia law - that's a LOT of people.

59 posted on 08/15/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: Terabitten

I think what's more worrisome right now is not that the UK actually ADOPTS Islamic Law, but more that there are half a million people who want to. Let's say that even 10% of those are willing to become terrorists. That's what...50,000?

That's a lot of blown up resturants and nnightclubs. and THATS what scares me


60 posted on 08/15/2006 8:22:48 AM PDT by letsgonova19087
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