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52 percent of Israelis: IDF failed
Ynet ^ | August 14 2006 | Ilan Marciano

Posted on 08/14/2006 12:52:24 PM PDT by jmc1969

A Globes-Smith survey published on Monday showed that the majority of Israelis (52 percent) believe the IDF was unsuccessful in its Lebanon offensive, as opposed to 44 percent who believe the army did well.

According to the survey, 58 percent of the public believes Israel achieved few if any objectives in the war, up from 16 percent 11 days ago.

The survey showed that only 3 percent of Israelis believe that the country achieved most or all of its pre-war objectives, down from 33 percent a week ago.

According to the survey, were the elections held today Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s Kadima party would receive less than 20 mandates (as opposed to the 29 it received in the March elections), while Defense Minister Amir Peretz’s Labor party would receive only 12 mandates (as opposed to the 19 it obtained in the recent elections).

66 percent: Ceasefire agreement not good

Overall, 60 percent of those who voted for Kadima and Labor said they would not vote for them, with most becoming undecided voters at this time.

The picture emerging from the new survey is fundamentally different from the one prevalent during the month of the war in the North, where the public expressed its support for both the government and military – positions that can be characterized as "patriotic."

Only six percent of respondents said they thought the Security Council resolution that ended the fighting is good and achieves most of Israel's objections. Meanwhile, 66 percent believe the agreement is not good – only a quarter of those said this is the best agreement that can be obtained under the circumstances. Overall, 38 percent said the deal is not good but Israel had no choice but to accept it.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar
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To: avital2

So true. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681379/posts


41 posted on 08/14/2006 1:19:11 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: SMARTY

...but not enough. They and the civilian population that either hides, supports, abetts, or gives them sanctuary need to be humbled and pacified with extreme prejudice to the point where they literally BEG to be able to offer their unconditional surrender and disavow the Hizbollah, radical islamic mind set for many generations.


42 posted on 08/14/2006 1:21:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: libstripper

Thanks for the link. Perhaps a coup d'etat is the only way. Something needs to be done other than what is going on now.


43 posted on 08/14/2006 1:22:03 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado
"I don't want to say that the IDF failed but rather hope that the IDF is not finished! "

Exactly. People are defining a less than perfect outcome, whatever that is, to be a "defeat" or "failure" instead of a win that could have been even better. And that lanquage emboldens our enemies.

44 posted on 08/14/2006 1:26:41 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: msnimje; avital2
How do they know, it is not over? There are 30,000 idf soldiers in Lebanon waiting for Hezbullah to break the cease fire (which they will).

"the IDF was not allowed to win: the political leadership failed them and Israel."

While Olmert and his band of appeasing incompetents is in charge, the IDF will continue to be chained up, it will not be allowed to fight to win. The real answer to the question of whether the IDF failed or succeeded is that the IDF did fine, wonderfully well, in fact - within the very narrow confines of what its political masters allowed it to do.

45 posted on 08/14/2006 1:28:54 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Jeff Head
...the civilian population that either hides, supports, abetts, or gives them sanctuary need to be humbled and pacified with extreme prejudice...

The local girl thanking "the guys" (i.e. hezbollah) for "looking out for them" IIRC on Fox news was a real eye opener.

46 posted on 08/14/2006 1:31:25 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: avacado

The really good thing about the article is it shows how Olmert pulled a bait and switch on Bush. Bush thought the Israelis were going to do the job quickly and right. Then Olmert cut the feet out from under the IDF and Bush, giving us the present fiasco.


47 posted on 08/14/2006 1:32:34 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: jmc1969
the majority of Israelis (52 percent) believe the IDF was unsuccessful in its Lebanon offensive

Those 52% need to remember EXACTLY who is in charge of the military. Olmert is responsible.

48 posted on 08/14/2006 1:34:12 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: jmc1969

The IDF did not fail; the gutless, weasel politicians (UN, US, and Israeli) failed.


49 posted on 08/14/2006 1:41:07 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: jmc1969

Why is it that when ever the politicians interfere and mess up, the troops get the blame?


50 posted on 08/14/2006 1:41:23 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: Jeff Head
"IMHO, it was their politicians who failed...by not letting the IDF do the job the way it must be done."

- However, IMHO what caused the failure was the fact that the Israeli's found out to their surprise that Hezbollah had been equipped by Iran with the latest anti tank TOW missiles and they were using them to knock out Israeli armor at an alarming rate. If Israel persisted in it's armor spearheaded battle plan attack, their losses would have been politically and militarily unacceptable.
There is no doubt. Hezbollah won round one.
51 posted on 08/14/2006 1:50:05 PM PDT by finnigan2
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To: jmc1969

Bush Says Israel Defeated Hezbollah
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1683562/posts


52 posted on 08/14/2006 1:51:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --pre-Road-Map President Bush)
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To: finnigan2
I disagree. There were a few tanks hit, but the IDF was not blunted by that in the leat IMHO, and if the IDF had gone in with 40,000 troops supported by tanks and helos, and if they fought it like a real, full scale war...they would have taken Hizbollah out. That is what they must do.

The pols and their fear of international opinion kept that from happening. Until it happens, Hizbollah will not be defeated and they will gain strength as a result of the perceptiont that they can or have fought the IDF to a standstill when they did no such thing.

53 posted on 08/14/2006 1:56:54 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

The IDF did not fail.The Israel leader ship failed.


54 posted on 08/14/2006 2:46:18 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: jocko12

The post I was responding to was in response to my post number 8. Read my post number 8 on this thread and you will see that we agree completely.


55 posted on 08/14/2006 2:51:57 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: avacado
I don't want to say that the IDF failed but rather hope that the IDF is not finished!
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The IDF did not fail. The political leadership failed.

The Hezbos think they won. The Israeli people think they lost. With the power available to the IDF it should have been the other way around.

The Israeli people have work to do. If they do it properly a week into the next round the Hezbos will be squealing like pigs for a ceasefire.
56 posted on 08/14/2006 4:35:59 PM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: libstripper

It's Olmert who failed all the way.

Any guy who thinks he's fooling the public with his comb over is fooling himself first. He is the biggest patsy.

He is a crowd-pleaser. His first speech was criticised for being too introspective, not being Churchillian and not including the big names that made Israel what it is. He went home and did his homework on all these superficialities but since nobody told him how to win he couldn't do that.

WE DESERVE BETTER


57 posted on 08/15/2006 12:31:48 AM PDT by FreeReporting (A leftish Israeli)
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To: jmc1969
A Globes-Smith survey published on Monday showed that the majority of Israelis (52 percent) believe the IDF was unsuccessful in its Lebanon offensive, as opposed to 44 percent who believe the army did well.

That is because they fought a PC war with military targets instead of the kind of war you really win. (nation versus nation)

58 posted on 08/15/2006 12:33:51 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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