Nobel prize winner Grass admits serving in Nazi SS

Reuters ^ | Fri Aug 11, 2006

[Red6]

But wait! Maybe I am wrong!?

Maybe Atlantic Bridge will point out that the NAZI's goose stepped with their rifle on the right shoulder and the NVA goose stepped with their rifle to their front!

[ketelone]

In which case you can display this cool pic of the Nationale Volksarmee about to be "im paradeschritt".



But then you might be told that their rifles are resting on the left shoulder...

[ketelone]

Wait, Im sorry... thats the NVA.. I should say, Im Exerzierschritt.

[Madame Dufarge]

I read Gunter Grass' Tin Drum a bazillion years ago

Same here.

It was like dog paddling through pudding.

[Grzegorz 246]

"The SS at wars end was nearly 400,000 men in size (1944), throughout the ENTIRE war about 55,000 people served as guards at these camps at various times. 3,600 of these guards were women alone."

No matter what Hollywood tells you, nazi's crimes weren't reduced to Holocaust or to the camps in general. Millions of civilians were killed in the Soviet Union, Poland and Balkans - often by Waffen SS units. At least half of their members should have been executed.

[Grzegorz 246]

"Of course the SS helped put down uprisings in Warsaw. What do you expect?"

The problem is that "by the way" 150-180 thousand civilians were killed.

[Red6]

The Spetsnaz in the Cold War were our enemy. The Regime which created them, that they fought for, seeked to destroy our way of life, our freedom and republic. In Chechnya they did all kinds of bad things, and they were more or less state sanctioned. In Afghanistan they also were no good guys and there to the former Soviet regime look the other way. Were they bad troops because they opposed us and systematically committed crimes for which our soldiers go to jail for? Did they bring no results? Were they physically weak, mentally not tough? Were they not able to shoot straight or navigate over horrible terrain? Fighting for a bad cause does not make someone weak at soldiering.

[Grzegorz 246]

Sorry, looks like I didn't know what the discussion was about, however definitely not all Waffen SS unites were elite. For example most of those foreign units were a part of Waffen SS and their quality was often not very impressive.