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London - Suspects 'converted to Islam'
Press Association (UK) ^ | August 11, 2006

Posted on 08/11/2006 1:23:14 AM PDT by HAL9000

Two of the men arrested on suspicion of being involved in a terror plot to blow up a series of transatlantic planes had converted to Islam, it emerged.

Ibrahim Savant, from Walthamstow, east London, changed his name from Oliver when he converted, according to neighbours.

The 25-year-old student, whose Muslim wife is reportedly pregnant, was arrested at his family home in Folkestone Road.

Another suspect, who was not named by police, converted to Islam just six months ago. He was arrested during a raid at a house in Hepplewhite Close, High Wycombe.

According to locals, the property belonged to a white man whose behaviour had altered when he took up the religion.

"He converted to Islam about six months ago and grew a full beard," an 18-year-old local resident, who asked not to be named, said.

"He used to smoke weed and drink a lot, but he is completely different now."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ibrahimsavant; islam; london; londonairlineplot; oliversavant; terrorism; terrorists
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To: HAL9000

Mohammedanism and democracy don't mix, perhaps because Mohammedanism prescribes dhimmi status or death for non-Mohammedans. We have to halt Mohammedan immigration now.


21 posted on 08/11/2006 4:38:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: angkor
""He used to smoke weed and drink a lot, but he is completely different now." Now he's adopted a life of murder and mayhem.

How is this radical Islam different from the radical Christianity of Mother Theresa? Oh, wait...

22 posted on 08/11/2006 4:41:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Islam is a cult. People go into it because they are confused, looking for direction, and want something to take over their lives and tell them what to do, every little thing down to what hand to wipe themselves with. Just as women who are lost soul/seeker types will do things like convert to the Heaven's Gate cult in LA (remember that one?) and dutifully kill themselves on command, so they will join a cult that tells them they're garbage and puts every detail of their lives under the control of someone else.

It's amazing the lengths people will go to to get rid of the burden of freedom, which makes them confront their lives and ask themselves some serious questions about their own responsibility for their condition. A genuine religion makes one confront one's life in the context of its ethical precepts and eschatological view, and asks them to use their freedom to conform their lives to that ideal. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc. all do this.

But Islam, which also offers itself as a political system, takes its follower, makes that person adopt strange rules that cut them off from non-cult life and friends, and tells them that nothing is up to them anymore. They have submitted (remember, Islam means submission), gotten rid of that awful burden of freedom, and will do whatever the cult demands.


23 posted on 08/11/2006 4:46:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: Aquinasfan

"We have to halt Mohammedan immigration now."

I have to say I agree completely with you. I also think we need to profile at airports, even though there are muslim fanatic religion of peace types that look like you and me, and thus, are difficult to spot. In Spain three years ago, the Spanish authorities pulled me aside (I'm Italian on both sides, mom and dad) yet my wife, a blond, was allowed to board the plane unhindered. I believe the Spanish were profiling, and I had no problem with that. If the terrorists were Italians, I would expect to be searched before I got on a plane.



24 posted on 08/11/2006 4:48:22 AM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: HAL9000

The death cult is a murder cult and a cult for psycho killers as well.


25 posted on 08/11/2006 4:51:03 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: tkathy

All the mullahs that brainwashed these miserable human beings should be executed.


26 posted on 08/11/2006 4:52:15 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: tkathy
I just heard a sky news reporter say that one of the suspects was proud of his British heritage and was an avid fan of one of the teams in the Primer League.

As I recall Bin Laden is an avid fan of Arsenal.

27 posted on 08/11/2006 4:54:49 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: tkathy

They need to go in and search that Mosques where they worshiped.


28 posted on 08/11/2006 4:56:32 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: AustinBill
Book banning isn't the answer. A bit more scrutiny of the local "Imams" and what they are preaching might not be a bad idea, however.
Ahhh, so your formula for victory is: tolerance + scrutiny = peace?
29 posted on 08/11/2006 4:58:24 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ConservativeDude

Good freaking grief....I hope the US and Brit intel whizzes are all over this. We should be infiltrating them left and right with "converts".....

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Whose to say we're not?


I wouldn't be suprised to find out that 1/3 or more of the members of many American mosques are FBI or other intelligence agents at this point in time, almost 5 years after 9/11.


30 posted on 08/11/2006 5:02:03 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Mr.Smorch

It's hard to say what the Spanish are looking for - I've been searched a couple of times in Spain and I certainly don't look Arabic. I would imagine it's probably because I travel to Spain fairly often for long periods of time, so my name may be on a list. I hope they're not just going by appearance, in any case, since at least one of the Muslim terrorists arrested in England appears to have been a Muslim convert of full English descent, and one of the others was somewhat of a convert (his father was Iranian but a non-practicing Muslim) who had an English mother.

Still, I'm all in favor of halting Muslim immigration, and maybe that should extend to halting "conversions" to Islam in our countries, as well. Islam never has a good effect on its converts.


31 posted on 08/11/2006 5:17:10 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
BTW, if conditions in the world vis-a-vis the radical islamists, continue to deteriorate, we may see in Espana a rebirth of the "movemiento."

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32 posted on 08/11/2006 5:32:22 AM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
It is all so repressive to woman,

What really confuses me is when black women convert to Islam. The day to day tenets treat these women at a level just above slavery. They are free...so they chose to be enslaved? Nope, don't get it

33 posted on 08/11/2006 5:34:37 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: livius
Excellent analysis. Anyone familiar with cults should be able to recognize that Islam is simply the largest and most dangerous of the genre.

I wonder how long it will be until Mudslimes use captured or kidnapped Euros as agents. (Remember Patty Hearst, a.k.a. Tanya?) The Turks used children of Christians as raw material for their Janissaries.

34 posted on 08/11/2006 5:39:43 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Mr.Smorch

Is that Jose Antonio?


35 posted on 08/11/2006 5:42:26 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: HAL9000
Child actors, you just never know.
36 posted on 08/11/2006 5:44:59 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: livius
"It's amazing the lengths people will go to to get rid of the burden of freedom, which makes them confront their lives and ask themselves some serious questions about their own responsibility for their condition. A genuine religion makes one confront one's life in the context of its ethical precepts and eschatological view, and asks them to use their freedom to conform their lives to that ideal. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc. all do this."

You are absolutely correct - well said!

37 posted on 08/11/2006 5:51:57 AM PDT by lucyblue
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To: oh8eleven

No, I'm saying that "thought crime" has no place in a free society. Toleration of incitement, however, is fundamentally misguided.


38 posted on 08/11/2006 5:58:18 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: SoftballMominVA

I remember a big photo that appeared in the papers waaaaay back in the very early 1970s. It was a picture of a 'black moslem' meeting (this was what they were called then ; I don't believe Nation of Islam, Lost-Found Nation of Islam, etc, existed then, at least under those names). The women were segregated, their heads were covered, and they had been placed under a huge banner that read : We Must Protect Our Most Valuable Property....Our Women.


39 posted on 08/11/2006 6:03:32 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: nina0113
Yes, Castro's hero, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, the creator and leader of the Falange.

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40 posted on 08/11/2006 6:09:50 AM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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